Changing the poi sections?

I'm not really sure about some of your cats spiral.. some of the stuff just doesnt make sense.. why isolations with inversions and insides other than they all start with i lol.. and do isolations even need be listed as part of a section..

and wraps should be with contact poi.. and I begrudgingly let throws in there since release would fall in with some wraps and contact sutff.. and there's no sense in seperating throws and releases... I think stalls should also go in this section..

that's my take.. though I can't say its very constructive..

What did we come up with the other night James? I remember having the conversation but i'm buggered if |I can remember the outcome (I have been drinking WAY too much recently...)

spinning techniques???

what does that mean?

inversions and insides are uses of planes.. kinda like utl with a teeny bit more variety.. (ie you can use them about other axi) : :

inversions and insides aren't advanced by any means.. in fact they are much easier to learn then some of the higher beat moves.. because once you learn 2 inversions (the fwd and rev 3bt) you've learned all the inversions, (since the fwd 3bt is the rev 5bt and the rev 3bt is the fwd 5bt)...

insides we already know as well.. the left side of a weave is the right side inisde.. the right side of a weave is the left side inside.. the wallplane inside is the bottom part of a cork/windmill.. so you aren't learning anything new.. your just learning more about the planes then is commonly taught... not that you don't know it, but that it hasnt been explicitly centered on like other moves center on certain variable components..

its one of those things like btb poi... its not that is hard.. so much as its something that's not really practiced.. if you spin with poi shorter than your arms length, you ahve already implicitly picked up on a lot of this stuff..

don't think I'm just trying to be negative to be a prick or anything.. I'm just pointing out that if we are going to reclassify things, we should have good reasons for the re-ordering and classifying, so that we may be as clear and precise as possible, so not to have to re-order for quite some time (if ever )

now this is list that I'm going to post is not thought out well at all, but perhaps we should look more towards something like:

weave
butterfly
throws, releases, contact (ie not held)
direction change (wraps, stalls, catches (not like release and catches but like I just grabbed the glowstick catches, where you never let go of the poi, just grab and let go of the head))
links
everything else

isolations, inversions, insides, etc.. are just things that fall under these categories already... you don't have an inversion you have a inverted this or that.. you don't have a inside you have something brought inside, you don't have an isolation you have something isolated.. these can be butterfly, weave, etc.. I think maybe what we might want to consider is adding a section like our future concepts for maybe tech talk.. if you want a forum to geek out in, but I think that something like that, or having a 'planes' section might detract from other sections.. however I would also be open to perhaps listing sections for certain variable classes.. like say a center of spin section for isolations, antispin, longarm.. or maybe 'planes' for specific plane talk like inverted, inside, utl, what have you.. if these could befocused more on just those particular aspects than maybe the patterns that accompany them.. but again that's potentially two sided.. and I think a lot of that could be covered with good articles, rather than whole sections..

thoughts :

Links being hyperloop tangles an all derivatives etc?

to be fair, i think a brief intro post to all new members might be well worth while. that wasy theres no reoranisation needed. somone just needs to write a nice friendly intro post with links to videos demonstrating things they might like to see, pluys related articles. im planning this for the french section to help people navigate around with ease. after much time on home of poi i think the most significatn thing that spherc can do is avoid baffling people with posts, info and vids that will totally confuse them and make them feel they know nothing, especially6 those at the beginner level. i know that a reorganisation might be in order but i think we should bear in mind the above. again just a suggestion. however you group things it will always leave some people going 'what?' but basically, however you reorganise it will take people a while to get to grips with the site. a post showing ways to relevant videos and other stuff might just save a bit of time. in case ive totally missed the point of the thread i apologise. but ive jhiust been to roots manuva and am drinking beer called 'dog in the fog' (which is rough by the way, uless you linke sweet sweet beer) peace

Yep the poi epiphanies thread was great for a while and was a good way to collect random tips and tricks.

I'm totally up for changing the poi video sections and forums to match but i've not seen another breakdown that i like.

IMO There must be a freestyle section, because everyone talks so much about weaves and butterflies and tangles but hardly anyone discusses style, grace, tempo, movement and so on. That's what the freestyle vids demonstrate and once the next set of poi videos is out that's where most future videos can go because once you've got a couple of great vids for almost every pattern imaginable it's time to develop style.

The Under the Leg section could merge with something else. I put that in specifically because so few spinners play utl. It means you can always spot a sphercular spinner

I really dislike the name 'rotational reverse' but it seemed vaguely fitting at the time. Can definitely change that one.

The thing is, it's all totally arbitary. I mean if you have 1 section for weaves, 1 for butterflies and 1 for tangles then the tangles section will contain both butterfly tangles and weave tangles. Catch my drift? There's just so much cross over. So we need to find a useful way to separate the forums and videos.

I think we need to consider how poiple are gonna want to use the forums. I'm thinking something like.

Weaves - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5....., inside /inverted, buzzsaws

Butterflies - 1, 2, 3, 4, 5....., inside /inverted, buzzsaws

Direction Change (Wraps, Stalls....)

Throws and Catches, Tapbacks, wibbles, whip catches - (i think Contact should go here because if you mess up a catch you generally learn some contact poi)

Tangles - weave and butterfly tangles with reference to the relationship to insides (or should that be inversions i never know )

Style & Technique - lots of theory, isolations / giant (ie moving the center of rotation), insides (theory, the inside weaves/butterflies should be in the weave/butterfly sections), plane theory, box planes, trinity, specific styles to work on, dance, choreography, performance, busking, safety

Thinking about it the wraps and stalls section looks thin. What else could go in there? Or should it be lumped in with Style & Technique? Because learning to wrap and stall is how you start to mix everything together and start dancing.

Also i'm thinking the top level of the forums / videos should be:

Poi (and club swinging i guess)

Staff (and meteor maybe?)

Diablo (and multiple diabli)

Juggling (and contact)

Devil Sticks (and rope devil sticks aka liquid sticks)

And perhaps Dance

I'm also thinking that it might make more sense to have each video at the beginning of a thread so that all discussion in that thead can be related directly to that movie.

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contact juggling then, just seems rude to exclude other forms of juggling plus there are many things you can learn from jugglers since it is so well established.

I'm not too worried about juggling either way- you're right that there is much influence and use and crossover, I just don't know how much use a specific section would get. No harm putting one in though

*BUMP*

This was all looking very promising and then promptly faded away- I reckon this is still something the site would benefit from- for example, I was looking to talk about stalls (vert, horizontal etc) but didn't feel it fitted into the Rotational reverse cat so I ended up ssticking it in my new to you thread.

Anynoe else still keen to discuss and action revisions?