isos continued.....

so... ive been playing with continuous isos, (and theorising about 100% isos), and was wonding if anyone else has done this so you can fast track me through the questions im asking myself. or tell me its a waste of time so i can move on to something else. the movement is a bit hard to explain fully, but i hope its wont end up too abstract....

as i understand it the conventional wisdom about the movement during your typical isolation, (specifically continuous buzzsaw isolations which is the one im working with), is that the hands move in circles tracing the motion of the poi. in the buzzsaw, each hand traces the path of the poi head thats being spun by the other hand. this means most of the body movement dictating the paths of the poi is from the elbow joints and wrists. the strings of the poi are parallel during the motion.

but what ive started doing is trying a piston like movement from my shoulders to acheive the same effect. instead of the hands moving in circles they move 'in and out', and the shoulders move back and forward in something akin to the rude boy walking style beloved of people desperate to show they have attitude.

so far i have achieved something that looks incredibly sketchy and, basically, pants, but i think i can see potential there. so the questions im asking to anyone who knows are bascially these....

1. a) does it look pants because it is and.....
b) is the glimmer of hope (in that the strings are sometimes almost parallel for a few beats) due to the fact that the motion is almost what is required for isos, but not quite.

if the answer is no..

2. a) at what point specifically do you engage your body in controling/sustaining the motion of the poi
b) is the motion of the body made to create more more of a 'jerking' or 'pulling' action than a smooth one used in normal isos

3. is there any way that this can lead to 100% continuous 'faked' isos which are somehow capable of maintaing the poi head rougly in the same place for an extended period of time.

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The pumping style is what you tend to do in the wall plane to get continuous isos going... but they're fake as if you're spinning split-time they only really line up when the poi are horizontal rather than through the whole circle.

Just try spinning clockwise in front of you in the wall plane and get them to line up as much as possible. I've not tried it in wheel/buzzsaw planes, but it's not too hard wall planed.

yea, i know what youre talking about there except i have a slightly different method for continuous wall plane isos... but its not exactly what im on about. the split time nature of what i was doing hadnt even crossed my mind tho, so maybe that will make something click. it seems that you can kinda achieve a 'half moon' iso in the buzzsaw plane with sock poi because of their stretchyness but with chains its ugly. very ugly. cheers tho.
peace

Yeah I think I see where you are coming from.
Poland isn't it? Sphism/gigglesmiley

Sorry. Sphism/sadsmiley

I've not tried it myself but I can imagine the motion, a bit like an isolated buzzsaw but with rigid arms and the motion coming from the shoulder instead?
Sounds like one of those moves where you've got to get your whole body into the groove.

I reccon any movement with poi can be made to look good, you've just got to find it's essence, the spirit of the movement...
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hehehehe
that made me cackle.
Sphism/smilesmiley

if there was ever an ugly duckling of poi, this move would be it. it looks ugly, it feels ugly, and its totally pointless....
but what it is is a continuous tangled isolated buzzsaw. if you are isolating the buzzsaw (going forward) and you stall the right hand poi as it comes up toward 12 o clock, at the same time moving it ever so slightly so that the other poi (still isolating) comes up and 'catches it', you create a nexus that has to be exactly in the middle of the poi string between hand and head. both poi will end up going forward again and you can isolate that movement for as long as you can be bothered.
Sphism/smilesmiley

[quote="jon"]
if the answer is no..

2. a) at what point specifically do you engage your body in controling/sustaining the motion of the poi
b) is the motion of the body made to create more more of a 'jerking' or 'pulling' action than a smooth one used in normal isos