Introduction to the 'Encyclopoidia Omnimodus'

So, I've set up this area of the site so that we can all come to some solution to the problem of Poi Terminology.

Click this Link to see the Encyclopoidia

Now if you click on W or search for Weave then you should see a little (extremely basic) version of what can be done. Bare in mind that I'm still only testing the idea and that we can put images and diagrams in the descriptions ~ along with links to videos.

The idea here is to create a universally accepted (and logical) naming system for poi patterns. This will certainly aid communication amongst us but should also us to discover new patterns.

So, if this Encyclopoidia is something that you would like to see then why not post a thread in this forum so that everyone can discuss the precise terminology and then once we are happy about the desription I'll put it in the Encyclopoidia.

Any thoughts????

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Comments

This sounds like it going to be great, we really need some starderdized terms and a place to keep them all in order. Should throw in some common British and American slang too, that could get a bit confuseing.

I like the idea.. but I think its not an easy task... but I ahve one question..

isn't the encylapoidia going to be like the tutorials.. in text... or amount to about the same thing give or atake a few...

for instance weave have the weave family tutorials with a brief explanation of the weave family and more definitive descriptions of particular weaves, accompanied with vids..

Isn't that about the same? or are we talking about adding slang cross referenceing in the encylcopoidia? that would be helpful... and it could link to the tutorial section... where furtther descriptions are.. like corckscrew would yield something like horizontal weave with a link to a corkscrew in the weave tutorial or somehting.. samething with butterfly weave and impossible weave etc..

I'm just tossing about ideas..

i already posted this as a reply to the main article...

but i think its a wikkid idea Matt!

good point too rev...about not doing the same thing twice....
i too think being able to cross-reference all the different terms around would be helpful
..would u be able to link common terms for the same pattern..eg chase and weave to say the weave definition etc?

bigups shperculism!!! Sphism/gigglesmileySphism/gigglesmiley

oh also Matt...

i don't know if this would be helpful for anyone else...but being quite a n00b i found the idea of planes a little confusing to start with..maybe there could be a description of these included?

It's a great idea matt !! It would be easier to understand everybody.

And I see on the main page that you want probably also put the same encyclopoidia in french, and I will be happy if I can help you to create it. I will try to put some translation from english if I can, and put other specific definitions in french.

It's a good idea :5

Can we have a single index page though? And I like the idea of linking between definitions... it's what the web is for after all Sphism/smilesmiley

Suggested entries would be this sort of thing I guess...

Beat
Buzzsaw plane
Recoil wrap
Roof plane
Same time
Split time
Stop
Through wrap
Wall plane
Wheel plane
Wrap

etc. etc.

maybe we should put poi types too?

eg.:

flower poi- poi heads that end like flowersticks.
battery poi(I think I'm the only one who knows them)- probably exist only in israel, the non-fire beginner version of the weka fire poi on HOP.

Glad you like the idea.

The difference between this and the tutorials is that the Encyclopoidia will tell you WHAT something IS.

Then link to the tutorials to find out HOW to do it.

Can definitely interlink the terms from US slang and UK slang, be great to have other languages too.

All the glostring names, plus rope dart terms or chain whips.

The possibillities are endless, and it is indeed a massive task. But I think the Act of making such a resource will clarify things in all our minds.

This is not something I can do alone, we're all gonna have to work together.

So let's get the ball rolling, I need 2 descriptions ~ one for Weave and one for Butterflies.

If anyone calls these by a different name then speak now and we'll interlink them.

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Weave - family of moves in which the poi are spinning in the same direction.

Butterfly - family of moves in which the poi are spinning in the opposite direction.

I think they're about the most general descriptions...

Now you can have a split time or in time butterfly but can you have an in time weave???

Certainly 2 very important factors for describing a pattern are the timing and spinning the poi in same (weave) or opposite (butterfly) directions.

Also does anyone have any good terms for split time and in time, they are just way too long winded.

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kudos matt! excellant idea. it would also be quite helpful to have on it or seperately one on Planes too...like which one is which and yadda yadda...if someone already posted that, my bad. cyas!

the kid

p.s. ssorry for not being too active lately, my comp is down so i have to borrow my bro's which he doesnt like too much.,.. will try and get on more

I thought you could have same time stuff.. I wish I could remember how they referred to them.. it was stuff like chasing the sun and a few other same time.. parallel moves or something... anyway, all the same time stuff I know is seperated either one further out in the circle and one closer in, done parallel, or done seperated... dunno if that helps.

[quote="matt"]Now you can have a split time or in time butterfly but can you have an in time weave???

I'm just wondering if Matt will be adding all the terms or if there will be a way to submit terms or what cause it would be easier if youn had user input i would think tell me if i already missed an explantion of thsi already cause i kinda skimmed through some long parts

I'd like to see the defintions of airwarp and hyperloop, made very simple. Maybe some diagrams that aren't made of text, those thigns confuse me.

Rovo:

It's definitely gonna take a lot more poiple than just me to put all the text into the encyclopoidia ~ lets call it the Poidia for short.

But then if anyone can write in it then we'll have exactly the same problem we have now, it will be a complete mess.

So what I ws thinking was this. How about we find 7 poiple who are dedicated to the idea of creating the Poidia.

I can allow them certain privalages on the site which will allow any one of them to update the information.

Then those 7 poiple will have to decide on the fundmental principles of the notation ~ with help from everyone else of course.

Everyone votes on terms and once we are happy we add them in.

That way we should have a fine end result.

How does that sound?

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Glad you like the idea.

The difference between this and the tutorials is that the Encyclopoidia will tell you WHAT something IS.

Then link to the tutorials to find out HOW to do it.

Can definitely interlink the terms from US slang and UK slang, be great to have other languages too.

All the glostring names, plus rope dart terms or chain whips.

The possibillities are endless, and it is indeed a massive task. But I think the Act of making such a resource will clarify things in all our minds.

This is not something I can do alone, we're all gonna have to work together.

So let's get the ball rolling, I need 2 descriptions ~ one for Weave and one for Butterflies.

If anyone calls these by a different name then speak now and we'll interlink them.

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Sounds great

M-P Kid

Sounds good here.
You could call it "The Jedi Council" or is that copywritten?

Matt, your idea sounds great !! With 7 poiple, you can make a good job. And 7 is a good number !! Sphism/gigglesmiley

GG: Everyone means everyone on this site who wishes to have an input.

No Achluo, there'll be no jedi council

And Yes, 7 is a very good number ~ especially when dealing with 'Vibrating Bodies'

Those 7 poiple will simply have access to update information, i don't wanna promote any kind of elitism.

Also, they can chop and change, let others have a go or whatever, it's not set in concrete ~ if you find you can't keep things up to date for a couple weeks then pass onto someone else who can fill in.

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Sounds like a good idea.

Isn't 7 beats the maximum number of beats you can have in a weave, done purely in the wall plane that doesn't involve being extra flexable?

Wouldn't like to say 7 is the absolute max. I seem to remember spiralx talking aout how to do 9 beats without wrapping but that seemed to involve a kind of turn without moving your feet so whether or not it was strictly a 9 beat weave i dunno, i don't do 7W's either.

Whenever i've thought some aspect of poi to be impossible, I've always been glad when proven wrong Sphism/smilesmiley

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You can do 9 beats by twisting at elbows, wrists and fingers apparently, and by doing the turning thing you can get up to 13 I guess. Would look pretty bloody odd though! Sphism/gigglesmiley

I love seeing stuff that makes no sense in poi. Sphism/smilesmiley

This sounds like an ace idea and something that has been sorely lacking from HoP for ages.

One idea might be trying to make it like wikipedia so that everyone can contribute. I guess this would require loads of work server-side though.

Cross-referencing would be good so you can link from, say, cross follow to weave and understand that they are the same thing. I'm sure i'm not the only one who gets confused about the difference between buzzsaw hyperloops, buzzsaw airwraps and tangled buzzsaws!! :o

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I'm sure i'm not the only one who gets confused about the difference between buzzsaw hyperloops, buzzsaw airwraps and tangled buzzsaws!!

Sheesh you got that right. I cant even figure out which is a hyperloop and which is an airwrap most of the time, much less all those -falls over-

M-P Kid

I'm with poikid here.

I fully agree with poikid... Sphism/smilesmiley

Hmm... Thinking about it, it seems all the people I know on HoP are approaching the same elite, jedi-like standard; PiP peeps are just under them, but creeping up fast; and here, there seem to be a lot of enthusiastic newbies (although there are of course exceptions to the rules!). Is that anything to do with the age of the sites and how the knowledge has spread between that community, or the type of people on the site, or am I just being weird? It's all good though... I prefer to find things out for myself than have someone tell me how to do it... although tutorial videos are a great help *hugs to Matt*

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I prefer to find things out for myself than have someone tell me how to do it

Yeap, I agree, if I spoon feed poiple then they will always need to be spoon fed. If I provide poiple with video clips then they can see what is possible. I generally find things much easier to learn once I know that somethings possible.

The Act of working things out for yourself is extremely important and will allow you to develop and discover new things.

I would say that the poiple on Hop are mostly there for social reasons, which is great, but a slightly different group from what i would like here. Pip is run by some of the best performers I know and the quality of information is top notch.

As for spherculism, well I've certainly met some fascinating poiple here. I love to hear about some of the younger members learning crazy patterns, especially the throws ~ they are kinda the highlight of the site for me ~ both the throws and the kids learning them Sphism/smilesmiley

When I released all this knowledge onto the web I was dubious bout how poiple would react. I mean, it's fantastic for newbies 'cos it raises the game. You know, sets this level of spinning as the standard to aim for. However, I'm not certain about how the 'jedi-like' poiple feel about it all though. I mean, I'm giving away lots of the little secrets that poiple have been developing for years ~ also anyone writing a book or producing a tutorial video is gonna have to 'step it up' a notch, now that all this information is out there for free.

As for the number of members. I'm so surprised (and delighted) by the huge number of members we have here. I pushed loads up until we had a 100 members and then just allowed it to spread. Today I see that we've just passed 300 members ~ how good is that ~ that's a 100 members per month.

So I think that's why spherculism is full of 'enthusiastic newbies'. Give me 3 years of your time and you will all be 'enthusiastic jedi-likes'. Then you can teach me.

This is just the tip of the iceburg for spherculism.

Thank you all for posting, you'll find your reward,

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I'd consider myself a pretty good spinner, but not in the same league as many of the people on HoP. But when I get a new move or pattern I always end up spending ages on it trying to figure out why it works and how it can be integrated and manipulated rather than just moving onto the next thing - for me the flow is everything and learning new stuff means more freedom to move around.

I'm enjoying this site more than HoP at the moment because it seems like people here are trying more to understand their spinning and share that than just coming up with new tricks one after the other. It's helping me think better about what I'm doing Sphism/smilesmiley

I just looked at all the new posts about definitions and realized it's really hard to describe a move well. I don't think i'll be helping out on this project Sphism/sadsmiley

Hey Rovo,

You may not feel like you can write a good definition of a poi term but your input is as important as anyone elses when it comes to refining that definition, it won't be the same without ya Sphism/smilesmiley

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So I've posted loads of topics about Defining Poi Terms for the Poidia.

I've left the definition blank so I don't influence the definitions at an early stage. I want to see how You define them.

I figure if everyone writes what they think the definition should be then eventually a quite elegant definition will emerge.

By being disciplined in our terminology we should find that more difficult concepts are easier to grasp.

Well done to spiralx and faery for getting straight in there with some good definitions.

If you think of another term then add it in the same format i have used.

I love it already.

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We could be communistic about how we define the terms, as in total done by the poiple. Like now. Sphism/smilesmiley

Well, I'm simply amazed at the quantity and quality of poi definitions that we've all come up with in the last 24 hours. Seems that if we all work together the Poidia will be up to a high standard in no time.

And actually there aren't that many terms to define. I was talking with a friend of mine and he was explaining how something like 150 words make up like 50% of the english spoken language. And maybe 600 words made up 95%. So the numbers are wrong but it was something equally rediculous.

It got me thinking that there aren't that many different terms that we need to define, like maybe 1 or 2 each. Suddenly it doesn't feel so difficult.

As for user input and all that. Someone need to find a good Encyclopedia Module for Php-Nuke. The default one sucks, I'll have a look but if anyone knows a good one then gimme a link.

Try to have a look at other poiples definitions and decide how what they think can be applied to what you think, we need to find some common ground on which to settle. Also look for patterns in different definitions, try to look for some kind of underlying structure that we can build upon.

As seems to be the way with spherculism, it's all going far better than I could have ever imagined, thank you all for your input.

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[quote="matt"]As for user input and all that. Someone need to find a good Encyclopedia Module for Php-Nuke. The default one sucks, I'll have a look but if anyone knows a good one then gimme a link.

Okay poiple. Let me first say that I'm blown away by the quality and quantity of work which we have all put into the poidia so far. It has taught me a load already.

So I'm thinking that there are quite a few definitions that we have settled upon. What we all need to do now is read back through the posts and come to one final definition

Type it in blue with a Large font

Make certain that the definition contains as much of the desired meaning as possible.

Once someone has done that if you agree with them vote :6

if you disagree then type your big blue description, when everyone has totally agreed then if someone can type up a big RED description then i'll copy it to the first post and change the name of the thread to DEFINED.

That sound fair????

Any questions???

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All in good time gg ~ I'm currently spending all my energies on a massive graphics project for a massive body jewellery company, it's a catalogue of all wildcats products and i simply don't have time to go into things right now. If you wanna know how i feel about things then go check out the Plural Zee Alpha thread on HOP.

I have read the whole thread and I like that you break it down in a completely different way to anyone i know. I believe it is foolish for you to refer to things with terms like butterfly when your definition is completely different. However i noticed you revised this which was certainly neccesary because it was causing arguments.

You come across as being quite arrogant, i probably seem the same to you. Text is not a good way to comunicate such ideas. Which is the main reason for defining things in the poidia.

What we are dealing with is poiples Beliefs, which causes huge arguments because your beliefs form a kind of religion. Religion causes War because of fundametally different individual realities. I do not wish to expend any energy argueing the toss about such things, as i mentioned every bit of energy i have is being spent on the catalogue.

I'm confused as to why you would refer to this as 'my baby' ~ i have never knowingly displayed any ownership of spherculism, the poidia is a manifestation of what we all desire, and it is close to taking poi to another place entirely.

One of the main goals of spherculism is to accelerate the huge conscious shift which is going to explode later this year. Poi is incidental to this end.

spherculism is far bigger than I. Give it 50 years and it will be discussed more than Cubism ever was. This isn't a poi website. It's an entire Movement, for some reason it wanted me to help it's manifestation, however, without my help it would have come about by some other means.

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exactly..

fuggin hippies Sphism/winksmiley

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T :twisted:

fuggin initiates :53

just you wait, at this rate ill be spercalish before you can say "bless you"

T :twisted: *notches up another post*

[quote="matt"]When I released all this knowledge onto the web I was dubious bout how poiple would react. I mean, it's fantastic for newbies 'cos it raises the game. You know, sets this level of spinning as the standard to aim for. However, I'm not certain about how the 'jedi-like' poiple feel about it all though. I mean, I'm giving away lots of the little secrets that poiple have been developing for years ~ also anyone writing a book or producing a tutorial video is gonna have to 'step it up' a notch, now that all this information is out there for free.

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I think this information should always be free. The thing which most attracted me to poi was how financially easy it is to learn and develop. It could be inadvisable to embark on, say, kung-fu, without lessons in person from a qualified instructor, but they rarely come for free, so poi is more socially accommodating in that respect

I hear ya there man. It was awesome when I first started. I was like......"Ok...shoe string..sock with rice in it..-spin spin WHACK- yup this is poi" Its fantastic that you can just go and do it ya know? Way cool. Especially now with Spherculism, having such a huge , and free resource for it. Way cool Sphism/smilesmiley Lol I remember when I wanted to learn kung fu stuff, didnt have the money and so nothing came of that. Poi should always be available and have plenty of free resources for those that dont get the money that often Sphism/smilesmiley

Really got me thinking now...it's beneficial to us all to stop along the way of poi to share experiences (which sites like this are ideal for), but I wouldn't call that a "price" as such. It's the polite thing to do Sphism/gigglesmiley

I feel a new thread coming on... Sphism/confusedsmileySphism/winksmiley

Yay free stuff, boo capitalism! I do find it sad when I look at HoP to see their stockroom advertised first and foremost. I'd have much more respect if they were all 'quality handmade products' tm but they don't even describe the making of poi which i feel is just as important as the actual spinning (ok i 'fess up i bought my first ones) but then when I saw some simple sock poi i went home and made a pair straight up. I think this site is a very good way for people who have an enjoyment of poi to share and spread their ideas and this was a manifestation by someone who definitely shares in these ideals.

A lot of poi websites have their elite at the top rubbishing newbie's ideas because they learnt it a different way and then spend PAGES of text describing that the little pinky's stuck out in their 'new' version of the same move we can all do the normal (read identical) version and if you'd read a post from 4 years ago then you'd surely know that!

Anyway, maybe due to the relative youth of this site (r cuz of the kick ass video tutorials) there doesn't seem to be any of that ill feeling about, I know I'm much much less good at poi than most of the people here but I feel able to promote my ideas and make suggestions without feeling like a n00b

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