Defined ~ Thread the Needle

Define ~ Thread the Needle

Thread The Needle (TTN)

Same pattern as butterfly. However on each beat extend one arm through the pattern; the next beat, extend the other arm through the pattern so it is in front.

Also known as push-throughs.

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MAR
8
2004
spiralx

Similar to the butterfly however rather than keeping your hands stationary each beat a different hand will be on top, requiring you to move your arms around each other.

Hmph, these things really do require a video to explain Sphism/winksmiley

MAR
8
2004
FaerieWithoutWings

Same pattern as butterfly. However, as the poi cross at the top, extend one arm through the pattern; the next time they cross, swap so the other is in front.

PS. Is this what TTN is to everybody else? Because I know them as Push-throughs.

MAR
8
2004
spiralx

Yeah push-throughs and TTN are the same thing Sphism/smilesmiley

MAR
9
2004
poikid

Well, I see it as the same as FaerieWithoutWings and Spiralx so what they said Sphism/gigglesmiley

MAR
10
2004
Muppet

Just what Spiralx and FaerieWithoutWings said they explained it very well.

MAR
11
2004
Rev

faerie explained the two beat and spiral explained the higher ones dead on..

APR
1
2004
Spanner

While they are called push-throughs, it may be worth remembering that they could just as easily be known as "pull-throughs" to some, due to individual speed and style.

By this, I mean when poi are spun as if they are pulling the arms through the moves, rather than the arms pushing the poi.

APR
1
2004
poikid

Trueness trueness Spanner. Sooo have we decided on this one? Sphism/gigglesmiley Decided this extremely technical and in depth discussion? *laughs at self* Aahhhh what can I say, I'm in a great mood Sphism/smilesmiley

APR
1
2004
spiralx

Can we change the thread title to "Defined ~ Thread The Needle" then? And the same for other ones we've all agreed on, so we can see what we still need to define?

Matt? Sphism/smilesmiley

APR
1
2004
Rev

if matt doesn't do it I'll go through and do ti tommorrow morning.. be sure to chekc back over the defined ones that I change to make sure we are in a greement.. matt and I agred that we would edit the first post and put in the definiotn but leave the commentary for everyone to read..

APR
2
2004
matt

spiralx: I have a couple more days to complete the most massive graphics project i hav eever undertaken, 8 months and this is the last few days. That's why i haven't been posting too much.

check out the poidia introduction thread, this is going a bit off topic

¦m¦

APR
4
2004
spiralx

Thread The Needle (TTN)

Same pattern as butterfly. However on each beat extend one arm through the pattern; the next beat, swap so the other is in front.

Also called push-throughs.

This seems like a good synthesis of mine and Faerie's descriptions... any objections? Sphism/smilesmiley

APR
4
2004
Spanner

No objections here...

...would be nice to know what you think about my point on momentum though.

Even if you think I'm talking complete b******s. :mrgreen:

APR
4
2004
spiralx

Well it is sort of correct, but momentum only lasts so long before you need to give it a push so I think push-through makes more sense Sphism/smilesmiley

APR
4
2004
poikid

I agrees Spiralx Sphism/gigglesmiley

APR
5
2004
Rev

b******s?!?

or
b***s***

lol... sorry.. I'm inebriated.. and it screwd with my head.. Sphism/gigglesmiley

APR
6
2004
Spanner

B******s. Although b******t could also be applicable. Sphism/winksmiley

Out of interest, does anyone else spin TTN as if the poi are pulling the arms through?

Or am I just special? :mrgreen:

APR
6
2004
spiralx

In certain variations on TTN it feels as though it's a pull because I'm only doing it as a transition. Not the standard one though.

Is there a swearing filter here? Edited swear words out as there isn't Sphism/winksmiley

APR
6
2004
Orbit

I don't think people call them push-throughs because the hands are actually pushing the poi at all... but rather that the hands seem to be doing a pushing motion in the air as they change planes.

APR
6
2004
poikid

Yah it doesnt really seem like a pushing motion... but at the same time it does describe well the over all movement I think better than TTN.... and lol yes, when I do a reverse TTN its more of a pulling motion Spanner Sphism/smilesmiley So ok, spiralx's definition then? Peace poiples

-Poikid-

APR
6
2004
spiralx

Wow, we agree Sphism/gigglesmiley Here goes then...

Thread The Needle (TTN)

Same pattern as butterfly. However on each beat extend one arm through the pattern; the next beat, swap so the other is in front.

Also called push-throughs.

Where's an admin when you want one?

APR
6
2004
Rev

screw you hippy.. we're just waiting on agreement.. give it a little time to make sure no one has any last minute objections..

also I don't know about any swearing filters.. savemaybe the one Iput on myself sometimes..

APR
6
2004
Spanner

My, you are an eager one spiralx Sphism/winksmiley

[quote="spiralx"]
Same pattern as butterfly. However on each beat extend one arm through the pattern; the next beat, swap so the other is in front.

APR
7
2004
spiralx

I see your point, but you're repeating yourself... how about...

Same pattern as butterfly. However on each beat extend one arm through the pattern; the next beat, extend the other arm through the pattern so it is in front.

APR
7
2004
Spanner

Mmm...is that not also repetition? Sphism/gigglesmiley

And if "swapping" isn't mentioned, wouldn't that indicate that each arm should be put in front of each other to the point where you would have to step forwards to keep going?

Which of course is a nice variation...but not compulsory to the move. I thought it should be mentioned that the extended arm should be slightly directed back towards the body just before the next arm extends, to avoid the general forward movement.

I know I said I didn't have any objections, so sorry to be difficult, but it's something I was thinking along the lines of with the "pull-through" explanation, as with that motion, the body can feel as if it is in a general backwards motion, despite not doing reverse TTN.

Not sure how to word it though, as you can see :oops:

APR
7
2004
spiralx

But they don't "swap" positions each time when you're talking about 3+ beat TTNs. And if there was movement involved we'd've mentioned it... we're not saying it for any other definition.

APR
7
2004
Spanner

Fair enough. That's all I had to say really. Sphism/smilesmiley

APR
7
2004
spiralx

Heh Sphism/smilesmiley So then...

Thread The Needle (TTN)

Same pattern as butterfly. However on each beat extend one arm through the pattern; the next beat, extend the other arm through the pattern so it is in front.

Also known as push-throughs.

APR
13
2004
spiralx

No arguments in almost a week Sphism/smilesmiley

Thread The Needle (TTN)

Same pattern as butterfly. However on each beat extend one arm through the pattern; the next beat, extend the other arm through the pattern so it is in front.

Also known as push-throughs.

APR
13
2004
poikid

Good job Spiralx Sphism/gigglesmiley -cheers for the victorious one- Sphism/tonguesmiley I agree %100 with that one.

-Poikid-

p.s. sry i havnet been keeping up too good lately, been busy ya know

APR
14
2004
spiralx

Do you want to change the thread title to say "Defined" then? Sphism/gigglesmiley

APR
14
2004
poikid

Yup yup. No one has argued since that last one, I'd say its defined Sphism/gigglesmiley -jumps around- finally hehe

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