Defined ~ Buzzsaw

I've also heard it simply called 'the wheel'. Kinda fits, since the poi are spinning in a wheel inside your arms.

You could also mention that the poi are in split time. You don't really see any buzzsaws that aren't.

I guess I stand corrected.

I do vertical buzzsaws/wheels/btn's/etc as well as horizontal ones, keeping them obviously inside the arms...surely this wouldnt classify as a completely differant move? Hmm perhaps it would though seeing as corkscrews and windmills are infact weaves but simply done in a differant plane...ok I'm kinda convinced it would apply to buzzsaws as well...but I'm ready to be corrected.

M-P Kid

Oh ok then lets just leave 'em buzzsaws I guess. Hehe I love seeing people move them around alot, but I've only seen one person do them well and even then it was quite limited. Hehe well if ever you feel like using a cam then send me a vid, I'm actually working right now on a bit more buzzsawing stuff.

M-P Kid

The Buzzsaw is where you spin the poi on the inside of your arms instead of the outside of your arms.

Do you mean a buzzsaw but where the poi are going opposite directions? If so then yeah it's a butterfly, but that would come from combining the butterfly and buzzsaw patterns

So, an attempt to compile:

The buzzsaw is a move where the poi are spun in a circle in the same direction between the arms. Can be done split time or in time and can be done in any plane as long as it's between the arms.
Also call the wheel, the pinwheel, and burn the nose(btn).

Didn't include the butterfly buzzsaw thing because it's a variation on the move, not the move itself.

Hmm, tough one there... I agree though with Raven, it is a variation of the move... in my opinion sorta like how impossible weaves and reg weaves are in the same plane and overall same movements, but merely going the other way, they wouldnt be put together.......ok I think I'm confusing myself. Nice compiling both of you.........I stink at that kinda stuff..cyas!

M-P Kid

Spiralx I'm afraid I don't like your definition as much (but then again I may be biased )

Here's why:
1) As I said before, I consider spinning a buzzsaw in opposite directions a variation (I refer to it as a butterfly buzzsaw). So my preference is to make a separate definition for that.

2) I agree with Rev that buzzsaws don't have to be perpendicular to the body (I've done plenty that aren't myself).

3) I'm not so fond of the buzzsaw plane. Maybe it's because I love to move mine around a lot. Basically the idea is that if you can do the move in multiiple planes, then the only constant you could give a plane named after it is that it's between the arms. So rather than giving it it's own plane, just say it's done between the arms.

Also thought of an addition to the definition I wrote before:

The buzzsaw is a move where the poi are spun in a circle in the same direction between the arms. The poi will make a wheel between your arms, with your hands at the center. Can be done split time or in time and can be done in any plane as long as it's done between the arms.
Also call the wheel, the pinwheel, and burn the nose(btn).

I agree with Rev... buzzsaw is the base pattern, same direction split-time buzzsaw is a pattern, butterfly buzzsaw is pattern etc etc

i don't think its a variation. I do lots of buzzsaws

I look at it as a combination of base patterns, and therefore a variation. You put together the butterfly and a weave and get something that isn't either. I'd say that while the difference isn't as pronounced when you do the same thing with the butterfly and the buzzsaw, you're still doing something different.

I see what she means... if you start with a butterfly and then fold your hands inwards you'd end up in a buzzsaw. But then again, by that definition if you fold your hands outwards you'd be doing weave stuff

Normal weave each hand does

own side - over - under

Buzzsaw weave each hand does

own side - under - inside

i.e. the inside bit is a buzzsaw. You basically end up doing what's sort of a weave, but with your hands never leaving the buzzsaw position.

Barrel rolls are where you're doing an isolated buzzsaw and you end up with your right hand to the left of your left hand and vice versa. So your arms are rolling around each other. I've seen this done in cheesy pop videos which have dances... without the poi obviously

I do get your explaination, but I just don't agree that it makes things any easier.

Your hands are still chasing each other...

I do understand where you're coming from, and I'm sure it works well in letting you understand how to apply new tricks in all kinds of ways

But... you've started from your assertion of your three base moves, we've started from our assertions too. Irrespective of which are "better" or more "correct" (as if such things exist :lol the use of the terms weave, butterfly and buzzsaw do already have well known meanings and can be used to define stuff in a way that most people will be comfortable with the principles without having to learn a new framework.

*shrug* Nobody is right or wrong here, but I think we've got to stick with what the majority of people are used to...

So I'm still pushing this definition:

The buzzsaw is a move where the poi are spun in a circle in the same direction between the arms. The poi will make a wheel between your arms, with your hands at the center. Can be done split time or in time and can be done in any plane as long as it's done between the arms.
Also called the wheel, the pinwheel, and burn the nose(btn).