Defined ~ Giant
Define ~ Giant
I'd like to hear some definitions for this term, then we'll refine the definition and finally once poiple are agreed we'll add it to the Poidia.
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Defined ~ Giant
A move done where the arms are fully extended.
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I agree with that.
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seconded. A nice simple one
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Aye but if I read that a few months ago when I was first starting out, I would have been dumfounded. Sure its a move done with fully extended arms, but 'what' move? Perhaps it should say "A 'variation' of near any move where the arms are fully extended." I know for a fact adding just those 2 or 3 words would tremendously help people such as myself and my sisters...we're sort of challenged in that aspect lol.
M-P Kid
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large humanoid found in fairy tale and legend. prone to saying fee fie foe fum and sometimes eats people.
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[quote="poikid"]Aye but if I read that a few months ago when I was first starting out, I would have been dumfounded. Sure its a move done with fully extended arms, but 'what' move? Perhaps it should say "A 'variation' of near any move where the arms are fully extended." I know for a fact adding just those 2 or 3 words would tremendously help people such as myself and my sisters...we're sort of challenged in that aspect lol.
M-P Kid
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For slightly more detail:
A variation of any move done where the arms are fully extended and swinging with the poi.
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Maybe add something like;
.....center of rotation is moved to the shoulder....
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I think all 3 of those sorta say the same thing, so whichever way ya want to say it sounds good
M-P Kid
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[quote="matt"]Maybe add something like;
.....center of rotation is moved to the shoulder....
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Giant buzzsaw anyone?
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Hehehe
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I like all the examples.
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yes you need to do it with fully extended arms, but shouldn't it say -to completion- or something.. I mean just opening the ends of a weave does not make a giant weave..
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So to complie all of this it'd be something like:
A variation on a move where the center of rotation is moved to the shoulder by fully extending the arms and swinging them with the poi for the duration of the move.
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Raven, in my opinion, that one tops it all off. Nice way also of placing everyones input accordingly
I'm with raven on this one
M-P Kid
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Giant:
Any variation of a pattern where the center of rotation is moved to the shoulder by fully extending the arms and swinging them with the poi for the duration of that pattern.
I call for voting on this description to be added to the Poidia, if anyone can see any way to ammend this description then speak now.
I changed 'move' for 'pattern' ~ try explaining 'move' in the poidia, it's a remarkably hard one to define.
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:41 I'm for it Matt.
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word
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Works for me
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I'm down with it.
*has heared to much rap*
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yup yup
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what about if you only extend one arm?
how about the clubswinging terms of wrist, arm and shoulder circles? They work pretty good.
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How about:
"Any variation of a pattern where the center of rotation is moved to the shoulder by swinging the poi with the arms fully extended for the duration of that pattern."
Almost exactly the same but reads a bit better. imho.
/pedant
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"..arms or one arm..."
but again, why use the term "giant"
when there's more specific terms already out there and defined:
fully isolated circle - centre of rotation is poi head
isolated circle - centre of rotation is middle of poi
wrist circle - centre of rotation is handhandlewrist
arm circle - centre of rotation is elbow
shoulder circle - centre of rotation is shoulder
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I like that a lot.
So Giant would be: see Shoulder Circle
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I'm very cool with that as well
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ooooops i'm not
silly monkey messed up his terms again :oops:
Should be:
Arm circle - centre of rotation is shoulder
dunno if there even is a term for a circle centred on the elbow.
Shoulder circles in clubswinging are actually snakes (isolations) which are centred on the shoulder, and the centre of the club (or poi).
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the reason its not in part glitter is because as stated above in the thread.. I can open a giant seperation on wither end of my weave, but that is only a giant seperation.. a giant weave requires me to do the WHOLE weave giant not psrt...
same for butterfly.. and so forth..
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you can say that again gg
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I must say glittergirl.. that makes aton of sense. Except the 4-10 thing I dont get that but I get your principles.
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I just thought that needed to be posted again..
the problem is that you aren't paying attention to what makes a term the term.. Giant is when wehave a full extension.. we have center of rotation at the shoulder.. a quarter giant is a moot argument.. a quarter giant is no different the and quarter circle.. if you try to imply beyond that it loses sensability.. you can't get a quarter of the center shoulder rotation.. as in center of swing at elbows or wrists, or tangle.. the center of spin is what makes the definign.. because that is what makes the pattern giant.. all of your definitions amke sense as definitions..just not of the terms.. if you understood the why a giant was a giant, then you would understand why half giant doesn't work.. I can have half the giant extension, but not half a giant circle.. and the relative ratios of extension are different based on chain length, and arm length.. so even if you tried to argue in an abstract manner, it still doesn't apply.. what is half of a giant for you is not the same as me.. not even the same realtive proportions.. what is the same is that when I spin a giant I spin from my shoulder.. as do you.. that's all giant refers to.. look at every giant move..
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i agree with rev.
this is a silly silly argument, giant patently means big.
butterfly, giant butterfly, just like a butterfly, but bigger.
its a base pattern modifier, not a section to itself, thats 'longarm'
T :twisted:
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longarm is the term i usually use. but i reckon the clubswinging "shoulder circle" is better if you're looking for good formal terminology.
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I associate long arm with shoulder spin.. because straight arm is technically the same as long arm.. with the change of the center of spin.. in that respect I opt for the spin point rather then extension which can be misleading..
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So are we going with
then?
If so I think we need one entry for "Rotational centres" which lists them all and then separate definitions for each individual one that links to the main one.
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Oh, and to me longarm/straight arm stuff is talking about when one/both arms are extended fully, but still doing hand circles.
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straight arm yes, longarm, no.
longarm for most peaple (infact all) i know means shoulder circles, unless its me talking about staff, then its closer to 'sword form'
T :twisted:
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Ok, just straight arm for that then.
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I think if y'all would just actually read the posts... By 1/4 Giant, she is saying that you do 1/4 of the rotation giant (with arms out) and the other 3/4 of the move with arms in a different position. Please let's not let your emotional reactions to Isa get to you (I know it's hard... believe me, I know...).
I think we should add "Adj." to the beginning of definitions for words that are adjectives... that modify the move (treated as a noun). For instance, Giant Butterfly, Isolated Weave, Ugly Tangle.
Orbit
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Yah that'd prolly work well orbit
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[quote="Orbit"]I think if y'all would just actually read the posts... By 1/4 Giant, she is saying that you do 1/4 of the rotation giant (with arms out) and the other 3/4 of the move with arms in a different position. Please let's not let your emotional reactions to Isa get to you (I know it's hard... believe me, I know...).
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I think she meant more then just portion of the circle with her fractions.. I think she meant the term fractional giant could be taken in several semantic ways..
which is just adding confusion to the issue... because a giant is what it is regardless of semantic arguments..
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I'm on a roll today...!
Giant (Adj.)
An adjective used to describe a variation on a move where the centre of rotation is the shoulder e.g. giant weave, giant windmill.
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Eek dont ask me to do the adjective thing, I can never remember what any of those do
Other then that tho, I like your definition.
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An adjective modifies a noun i.e. big, red, flat
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Oh thats right..but now to remember what all a verb does...ooph...what can I say...english and me just dont go well together..lol...english and me...thats proof eh...
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Except ignore me, I'm wrong. An adjective modifies a noun, an adverb modifies a verb. Must edit my post, *sigh*
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Ah man... now I'm really confused.... oh well does it really matter
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