Defined ~ Crosser
Define ~ Crosser
I'd like to hear some definitions for this term, then we'll refine the definition and finally once poiple are agreed we'll add it to the Poidia.
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Defined ~ Crosser
Oh, this one sounds hard... um.... well if you use poi relativity, a crosser really doesn't seem to exist. At least in the case I'm about to provide. Do a butterfly in the z plane, now do a crosser with your right hand so that it's crossed over and now spinning where your left poi would spin if you were doing a low wave with it.
As that would be quite funny.
Now if you go back to spinning a butterfly in the z plane and wrap the left poi off something to change it's direction, you should find yourself able to do a weave on either side of yourself, now if you do it to your left side you should notice your right hand makes the exact same movement as it did when you did the crosser. Turn 90 degrees left while doing this weave in the z plane and the idea of a crosser exsisting in this patter disappers.
Maybe that made no sense and I don't know what a crosser is though.
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From what I know of crossers, I think it's simply where you put your arms on the opposite side of the body thus spinning regular patterns but with the opposite hands... maybe I am totally off but thats how I've seen it
M-P Kid
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As I understand it...
A crosser is an exploration into 'where Base Patterns' can be spun. This can involve ANY Base Pattern ~ Weave or Butterfly ~ but must utilise 'hard to reach' planes like all the way around your back until the poi is in front of you again.
Hmm...
Need to refine that a little, any glostringers around that can help????
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I think toxic is the crosser..if I remember correctly anyway.
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Now that works. Better then my nonsense.
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So if you were doing something like a btb lower fountain, that would be a crosser? Can't be of much help here as I haven't heard this term before.
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a corsser is when your arms cross the body and are locked in that position while the poi are swung..
for instance you can cross left and right up front liek a straight jacket, you can cross one in front and one behind..
also by crossing the body, they can cross under leg, over head etc.. not just the torso..
the ones I like are the ones that really twist up... from a forward weave move the right poi btb to the left side.. this should lock your left arm under your right arm pit, while your right arm is on the other side btb..
the above can also be done with a butterfly using the TTN motion.. but I'm not supposed to be listing them so much as listing what they all have in common, and that's just that your arms are crossed to opposite their normal sides, and your hands must stay in that position and then you turn the torso a bit to weave it.. and you weave it with both the same directions and butterflied.. a crosser is not, as I understand it.. jsut crossing your arms and doing the circles on the other side..
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Twisted :19
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Now I see it, better.
Defined ~ Crosser
Crosser
A crosser is when your arms cross the body and are locked in that position while the poi are swung. For instance you can cross left and right in front like a straight jacket, you can cross one in front and one behind. Also by crossing the body, they can cross under leg, over head etc.. not just across the torso.
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I am far too under-educated on these to comment
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They hurt to learn is all I can say
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That definition works for me.
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hmm - one in front, one behind?
i do that lots, and really like it, but don't call it a crosser.
The reason being that the arms aren't crossed.
otherwise cool :cool:
Defined ~ Crosser
you should d/l my video. what they mean by one in front and back... they mean for ex. your left hand in front locked in position so the poi swings on your right hand side and vise versa for the right hand. so the arms are 'crossed' in that sense..
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wil, i already understand (and love) crossers
they work with double staff better than poi actually
but i also do a crosser type move with one arm crossed in front of my body and one arm crossed behind
which seemed to be what spiralx was mentioning as a variation of crossers
but i thought it would just be confusing to call it by the same name.
Defined ~ Crosser
i guess i just don't find it confusing :/ but ok.
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Erm, in a 2bt in time, anti-phase weave... would a part of that count as a crosser? Can just one hand cross? I think the answer to both of them is yes but am open to argument as I dont really use these much...
Erm the 2bt thingy has a point where both arms are crossed in front, the poi have switched sides and everything seems crossed. Basically just crossing for 1 beat, tho this can be extended...
I think just one poi can cross because I use it as a form of b-fly weave, locking one hand under the other armpit, then turning and bringing the other hand over it to bring me into the backwards b-fly weave.
If both of these are acceptable, my stab at a definition goes as follows:
Crosser:
Where one or both handles are switched to the other side of the body temporarily or indefinitely.
Not great but meh, hope it helps someone else get closer to the truth!
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Define : "a 2bt in time, anti-phase weave" please - sounds nice . . . .
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So, to keep this going: How long do your arms need to cross your body to count as a crosser?
Seems to me that's the most recent question on the table. If both arms are crossed for a beat is that a crosser?
Also: Do both arms need to be crossed?
Defined ~ Crosser
the poi stay on opposite sides of thebody and stay there..
the poi stay split time..
the poi weave between at least 2 points..
and the poi are not in the normal by the side position..
fill those requirements and you've got a crosser they can be crossed up in any number of crazy ways.. believe me.. but those are the only key points.. think speerated weave like a regular high or low turn.. and think crossed up in some way.. and think weaving..
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Ok so what your saying is
A crosser is a completion of atleast one beat of a PATTERN...example crosser 3bt weave. Do one complete 3bt weave to make a real crosser instead of doing one poi revolution in a weave plane
Is that what you mean??
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no..
there area bit of crosser vids out there.. toxic has one with the very base ones.. wil has one maybe more in his vid.. there aresome in the tt2 vid..
you will cross your body... here are examples of how this "cross" can be done...
1- right arm left side front, left arm right side front..
2- straight jacket.. same as above only with the left amr is over the right and in the right armpit.. and the right is under the left and comes up over the left bicep.. (this move can have the flip Left under right and over right bicep.. etc..)
3- left hand right front, right hand left side btb..
4- alternate version of the above puts the left hand right side unthe the right armpit while the right arm is left side btb..
5- left arm right side armpit, right arm under a leg (any either leg will do..)
etc.. etc.. etc..
now that we have a picture of crossed.. lets look at how we are weaving them.. this does not meant form the respective sides they link back up.. no.. it means they stay on their respective sides and they stay split time.. and they do the equivalent to a two beat weave.. -kinda- like when doing a high or low turn.. so your hands stay locked where they are and by turning your body a little bit you are able to get the poi do do like a two beat weave.. back and forth.. which includes being able to turn either direction and then being able to turn either direction from the reverse (since the poi can be spinning forward or reverse..)
and once you have that.. you've pretty much mastered that particular crosser..
so all that's key is.. poi on opposite sides (crossed).. they stay there.. and then you weave..
not a one beat oh look it crossed and then back.. kind alike taking the right poi fromthe right side to the left and back.. while the lewft poi comes to the right and back.. that is not a crosser.. that crosses.. but it doesn't stay that way.. so it cant stay that way and weave.. you see the difference?
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But surely you can do all kinds of moves crossed - doesn't have to be a weave. The definition should just cover the fact that the hands are on the opposite sides of the body from their natural sides.
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yoiu can do it with butterlfies aa well but it ends up being weaved none the less.. in the respect that each hand will do like a 2bt weave.. whether you do that same direction or opposite is up to you.. perhaps my mind is open enough to see what else you mean?
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Well I'd say it isn't a weave it's a reel... which are figure of eights and automatically include same/split-time and same/opposite-direction
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see that's what I thought a reel was.. but.. and this is my fault for going by HoP to begin with.. I was posting on HoP and reels were defined as something -way- different from what I understood.. so I kind aleft that out.. and decided to stick with terms that I knew -I- understood.. so to try and not confuse others..
damned if I do and damned if I don't, I suppose.. hehe
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I've always known reels as wall plane figure-of-8s where each hand is on its natural side. Although it was called the low wave when I learnt it...
http://www.homeofpoi.com/lessons/poi_lessons.php/poi/17
The definition in the poi spinning book also matches this.
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to continue the pertninent digression I've heard reela as the same as high and low turns.. (menaing regardless of wall or side planes.. its the act of performing weave motions with the poi seperated and always remaining on opposite sides of each other..
to continue on topic..
by that.. yes this is a reel that has the poi on oppposite sides of the body in amny different ways.. and held there while reel'd..
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If you stop a 180 degree turn halfway through you go straight into a reel...
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*bump*
Anyone?
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A crosser = alternating wallplane reel(s) with the arms crossed in front of you
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I agree with most of that..
its split time crossed reels.. because you have to think of all the crazy positions you can get into to lock these reels.. I mean.. I wouldexactly call an arm btb and an arm under legnecessarily crossed in front of me.. and i think leo did one bth and utl in the tt2 vid..
the reel covers the lock and weave type part of it.. the only other thing in common is the seperate crossed planes and the split time..
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Surely split time is extraneous to the definition as well though? You could easily do same-time crossers...
Surely a crosser is just a move done where the centre of rotation is fixed and on the opposite side from its "natural" side. How that should be put I'm not 100% sure though
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it depends... the SA kids do them ALL split time... and from what I understand they coined the term.. and by all definitions I've seen had split time... I'm not saying you can't do them same time.. I'm just saying this is one of those things like weave and parallel weave.. I'm not saying the distinction has to be kept.. just that's how it was intended when defined I believe..
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No, I see that
But given the nature of the move I don't think it's a useful distinction to make between split/same time... at least with weaves vs. parallel weaves there is a distinct difference between the two i.e. whether they're symmetrical or not.
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maybe its just because i've been doing 3bt crossers.. I think the difference should be the same because my crossers don't spin anything like my reels.. even though essentially that's all they are.. but just as reels are typicly same time but can be done split time.. The crosser is split time... but can be done same time..
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I dunno, I'm far more likely to do reels in split-time
Defined ~ Crosser
Crosser
A reel done where both arms are crossed over the body so the centre of rotation of each poi is on the opposite side from a normal reel.
More generally, a move done where the centre of rotation is fixed and on the opposite side from its "natural" side.