Define ~ Impossible Weave
Define ~ Impossible Weave
I'd like to hear some definitions for this term, then we'll refine the definition and finally once poiple are agreed we'll add it to the Poidia.
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Define ~ Impossible Weave
A butterfly style weaveish thingamabob. Doing a TTN or some other butterfly variation on each side of the body in the weave planes (not sure of the letter, i forgot).
Define ~ Impossible Weave
Wow poikid, that sounds more impossible than ever
Define ~ Impossible Weave
A move done with the same hand movements as the weave, but where the poi are travelling in the opposite direction rather than the same direction.
We also need a definition of butterfly weave to link to this, as that's what most people call it...
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Ehh I dont think the hand movements are the same... if they are feel free to correct.
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Nope, they're definitely the same
Define ~ Impossible Weave
Hmmmmmmmm........... well I can only do a 3bt so I'm not very educated in the impossible weaving I'll take your word for it :2
Define ~ Impossible Weave
impossible weave, a.k.a butterfly weave, a.k.a. ttn weave...
basically its a thread the needle on one side into a reverse thread the needle on the otherside, so that the poi weave as normal only going in opposite directions..
Define ~ Impossible Weave
okies =)
Define ~ Impossible Weave
so essentially...
where the poi are chasing each other in opposite directions, crossing each other and the plane of the body...
:-)
Define ~ Impossible Weave
Okay, I might be getting myself in trouble here, but I vote we just toss out the name Impossible Weave... since it is neither a Weave nor Impossible.
It's essentially a TTN Weave, as Rev points out... but there are different ways to transition from forwards TTN to backwards on the other side, and matt chooses to use transitions that make it look more interesting.
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I'm not mad keen on the name impossible weave either...
Define ~ Impossible Weave
Well the name Impossible Weave is a wee bit confusing...but at the same time I'm pretty used to it so its fine for me...but ok, if not the Impossible Weave...heres some random thoughts firing through for names
TTN Cross
Pushing over a cow (i told ya, random)
The Push Pull
and the last thought in honor of my brother in law who was just made a father, The Pink Thong Pushovers.
*shrugs* might give us some ideas for names ya know?
-Poikid-
Define ~ Impossible Weave
If we toss out Impossible weave then we definitely have to toss out Thread the F:@~$%£ Needle
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Define ~ Impossible Weave
and orbit, it IS a weave, just not as we know it
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Define ~ Impossible Weave
In fact it's 2 weaves done at the same time in opposite directions.
It's called Impossible because as a concept it seemed precisely that.
This 1 move links together All of your weave moves with All of your butterfly moves and for that reason IMO is 100% worthy of the name.
Now you can't say the same for ttn, which is just a 2 beat butterfly.
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Define ~ Impossible Weave
Very true matt
Define ~ Impossible Weave
it's not very impossible though. it's not even that hard compared to a lot of other stuff. let's not have ANOTHER discipline with a relatively intermediate trick thats called an "impossible" :roll: there are quite enough...
i think it should be called a 3 beat opposite-direction alternating-crossover
but thats just because i feel a bit argumentative and pedantic
Define ~ Impossible Weave
it IS a weave..
it IS a butterfly
that is why I like butterfly weave.. ttn's are butterflies.. but you don't ahve to ttn to butterfly weave....
you can take a butterfly and bounce it over your head and back and voila.. you just did a 2 bt over head butterfly weave..
Define ~ Impossible Weave
[quote="Rev"]
you can take a butterfly and bounce it over your head and back and voila.. you just did a 2 bt over head butterfly weave..
Define ~ Impossible Weave
no.. it does not have to be split time.. you do not have to weave split time.. timing and pattern are two completely different things..I can butterfly weave split time or same time.. sameas weaving same time and split time or butterflying same time or split time.. ad infinitum..
alsdo butterfly weave helpsillustrate that you must have both a butterfly -and- a weave aspect at the core of the pattern.. not either.. and only..
Define ~ Impossible Weave
Butterfly weave is very descriptive and generally paints a picture in your mind of what's going on. It's also not that impossible, just a tad confusing.
I hadn't heard the term impossible weave untill I read this forum, and it took me a bit of hunting around (untill I found this thread) to figure out precisely what people were talking about.
Butterfly weave tells you two things, the poi are moving counter clockwise, and it has something to do with a weave. Which is fairly correct and gives a person an idea of what's going on with the move before they even see it or read about it.
I don't like TTN weave because I look at it as a varient of a butterfly weave, like TTN is a variant of a butterfly. Although most people learn TTN weave first and then vary it to become a butterfly weave I think, the opposite is true for butterfly/TTN. Im assumeing anyone who's interested in learning a butterfly weave has already learned a butterfly and then a TTN. If someone can't butterfly or TTN and they learn butterfly weave, then learn butterfly and TTN I think I may end up stareing at them in awe for several minutes.
Define ~ Impossible Weave
It's possible I guess to learn butterfly weave before butterfly/TTN, but the latter moves impart the ability to spin in opposite directions and thread the poi through each other which is very important.
Oh, and there's already a definition of butterfly weave in the poidia
http://www.spherculism.com/wiki/index.php/Butterfly_Weave