Defined ~ Waistwrap
Define ~ Waistwrap
I'd like to hear some definitions for this term, then we'll refine the definition and finally once poiple are agreed we'll add it to the Poidia.
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Defined ~ Waistwrap
Erm I believe its just another wrap done on the waiste....are we going to describe each wrap when its done in each place? 8O If so...... 8O 8O 8O
M-P Kid
Defined ~ Waistwrap
An even-beat equivalent to the fountain where one transition involves a carry - where the poi swing directly from one side to the other.
We definitely need a video or something for this!
Defined ~ Waistwrap
Definitally cause I'm completely lost.
Defined ~ Waistwrap
a waist wrap is when you are doing a move in the wall plane (either butterfly or weave [think fountain]) and on arm is wrapped around the waist...
a crosser is a double waist wrap...
ex. from a forward butterfly, bring the right arm around the left side to the back.. that is a right arm waist wrap... you get the idea..
Defined ~ Waistwrap
Oh right on. I'll have to play with these then
M-P Kid
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I think I'm getting the idea but I'll have to play with it for a while.
So what would we call a wrap done around the waist? Seems confusing...
Defined ~ Waistwrap
Hm yah...perhaps we should rename for spherculism the waiste wrap? :19 I'm only about 1/4 serious but it is a thought ,stupid or not
M-P Kid
Defined ~ Waistwrap
[quote="Rev"]a waist wrap is when you are doing a move in the wall plane (either butterfly or weave [think fountain]) and on arm is wrapped around the waist...
a crosser is a double waist wrap...
ex. from a forward butterfly, bring the right arm around the left side to the back.. that is a right arm waist wrap... you get the idea..
Defined ~ Waistwrap
I am far too confused to post any more on this matter :19 aside from messages of utter confusement ofcourse
M-P Kid[/b]
Defined ~ Waistwrap
It is an annoying tricky term to define, hence the arguments on HoP which raged for ages. But it's a move that's come from club swinging and has a well defined definition... which is also why it's called a "wrap" when that means something different with poi.
If you get the book "Poi Spinning" it shows you exactly what one is...
Defined ~ Waistwrap
there's a specific move as described above that is the waist wrap..
but waist wrap is also a generic term (search hop) that applies to anytime when at least one arm is wrapped around the waist.. i.e the right arm around the back to the front wall plane.. the right around the front to the back wall plane.. etc..
Defined ~ Waistwrap
There are lots of varieties of waist wrap - four same direction versions in front, four behind, four BTB butterfly versions and two full waist wraps. And that's without going to 4-beat versions
If you look on HoP there was a lot of confusion, but people settled on the already existing club swinging definition.
Anyway, by your definition a wall plane weave is a crosser
Defined ~ Waistwrap
no a wall plane weave doens t wrap one poi one each end of the body..
for instance.. a weave in the lef twall plane (front to rear.. involves the right arm waist wrapped but the left arm is still on the left side.. and thus not waist wrapped.. thus not a double waist wrap.. thus not a crosser
Defined ~ Waistwrap
But in a standard waist wrap only one arm is ever wrapped across the body! You start in a fwd 2-beat wall plane weave on your left (so your right arm is wrapped) then low transition to rev 2-beat wall plane weave on your right (so your left arm is wrapped) and then high carry back to the left side.
Defined ~ Waistwrap
yeah I know that... which is why i said at least one arm must wrap around the waist to waist wrap.. which is why a crosser is a double waist wrap, because both arms are waist wrapped (or the equivalent )..
Defined ~ Waistwrap
The waist wrap though is just two wall plane 2-beat weaves... and you said earlier that a wall plane 3-beat weave didn't involve a waist wrap.
Defined ~ Waistwrap
I said a 3 beat wall plane weave didnt' involve a waistwrap?
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Defined ~ Waistwrap
[quote="Rev"]I said a 3 beat wall plane weave didnt' involve a waistwrap?
Defined ~ Waistwrap
yes the left arm is not waist wrapped. the right arm is waist wrapped.. you misunderstood what I said..
when you do a weave in the left wallplane (front to rear or vs versus) the left hand will never waist wrap because it stays on the left side.. whereas the right arm does waist wrap
corsser are like a cross between offsetting and waist wrapping.. (or the theory of the waist wrap.. I prefer body wrapping) because it walways involves offsetting one poi (not both poi as is normal for an offset) but it also involves the arms to waist wrap (or body wrap rather since its not necessarily the waist that is wrapped around..)
Defined ~ Waistwrap
i say:
Waistwrap is a specific move as described by spiralx, with all it's variations.
BUT
"waistwrap stretch" is a term used to describe the reach of ONE arm round the back and in front of the body, spinning poi in wheel plane, like Rev says.
thats not a 'move' or a 'pattern' just a description of ONE hands position and plane of poi.
and it comes from the fact that in a behind the back waistwrap, or a behind the back waistwrapped both hands go into that odd twisty position at different points in the move.
(One hand in waistwrap stretch, one hand doing giant circle is a groovy oldskool clubswinging move and looks looovely)
We should keep Waistwrap meaning spiralxs move. That term has been around well over a century and theres no need for us to tinker wit it...
But a new term for 'waistwrap stretch would be good, as would better terms for single hand positions in general.
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So are we going to settle on the already existing terminology for the waist wrap? Because I still think naming it anything else is even more confusing than the already existing confusing terminology...
Defined ~ Waistwrap
Waist Wrap
A club-swinging term for a 2-beat split-time move where for each poi the first circle goes under the arm, the second in front of the belly and the third under the other arm followed by a carry back to the starting position, all spun in the wall plane. There are 4 variations in front and 4 BTB and these can be combined into 2 full waist wraps.
And so...
Full Waist Wrap
A move which is a combination of a front waist wrap and a BTB waist wrap - one hand is moving from left to right (or vice versa) in front of you, one behind your back. It gives the appearance of six circles in a pattern going all around your body.