Define ~ Base Pattern

the most fundemental pattern from which variations are derived.. in other words, when you break down a move, this is the point when you can't break it down any further

Yah that sounds good. Right on Rev

Base Pattern
a term by which people can refer to what they consider to be the basic building blocks of poi from their own personal point of view.

Well, for my hay-penny imput.

The way I see base pattern is this, the more I think about it.

Considering the weave examples: I would not see it as a 3bt weave, but rather a 2bt. Because its the smallest you can break a weave down to, a 2 beat. A 1 beat would just be split time spinning on the regular sides, vs a weave has them following each other. Anyways, back to the point, I would see a 2bt weave as a base pattern, and all higher beat weaves as moves. So thats for the weave imo. I think this could also apply to corkscrews and windmills, since they are weaves done in differant planes thus named differantly.

Using say a butterfly example (eek): The smallest you can break any butterfly THING is , a standard, 1 beat butterfly which everyone knows, and that would be the base pattern for say a ttn, mexican wave, etc etc. Thats for same time though. I would see a split time butterfly also as a base pattern because so much builds off of split time btf like all the split time 5bt ttn stuff. I dont know if that part would hold up though because nearly every if not all moves can be done split time....but then... people still say a split time whatever vs just saying yah i'm doing this oh btw its split time ya know?

Eek... I did alot on timing...but the point of that was is I see base pattern as the smallest you can break something down to that still holds its pattern, because ttns still go in the opposite direction standardly in the wall plane thus being depending on the timing a split time or a same time butterfly but you add a slight variation making it more of a move by passing the hands through each beat.

So thats my bit

-Poikid-

Lol I wasnt necessarily naming a move, but rather naming what isnt a base pattern Atleast.. I think I was 8O

Good good

I still think that the reason having 1 hand as the base doesnt work is because poi is done with 2. And the reason why having higher beat weaves as base patterns wouldnt work, IMO, is for 1. You can still do a weave pattern with a 2 beat, thus meaning you can break down all the higher beat moves into the smallest weave which is a two beat. and 2. Because if you do it that way, then nearly all poi moves/patterns whatever we've ended up calling them are base patterns because theres 5bt ttns which means that all the below bt ttns are base patterns too which again, knocks out nearly all the other moves/patterns/errrrr

Make sense or am I just plain kooky

Well for one its not a system, just a definition in my opinion

But as for that, the thing remains that poi is done with 2...so I really cant see how you could name the base pattern with one poi. Just me.

And for the butterfly weavage, you can break that into the base pattern of a butterfly , and I will show how

Lets take the 3bt impossible weave, which is butterfly weaving.
3bt impossible weave is done with 3bt ttns moving across the wheel plane. 3bt ttns can be broken down into 2bt ttns,and those can be broken down into a standard butterfly. The reason the base pattern would not be a weave in butterfly weavage is this. A corkscrew's base pattern is a weave, exact hand movements , the poi chase each other in a figure 8 pattern however they do not cross the body like a weave in the wheel plane would. So a corkscrew is a weave done in the ceiling/floor plane , so it has all the qualities of a weave. Poi chase, figure 8 pattern, etc etc, however as everyone knows a corkscrew doesnt cross the body. SO, I think I just looped but oh well, getting to the point

A butterfly weave does NOT chase each other, thsince they are going opposite direction, they DO cross the body but that does NOT signify it being a weave because with the example of a corkscrew weaves are not required to cross the body see? So, I know I'm looping now but maybe re-wording it could make some understand it a bit more.

3bt impossible weave. the 3bt ttn in there, moving from side to side, can be broken to a 2bt ttn moving from side to side, and down to a butterfly from side to side, but it lacks all the qualities that make it a weave, which are the poi chasing each other, making a figure 8 in the standard style but the weave base pattern does not have to cross the body because of the corkscrew who's base pattern is a weave. So the only reason its called butterfly weavage imo is because its crossing the body and the hand movements are like a weave, but if you watch the strings and break them down they are not doing a weave. And again, a weave doesnt have to cross the body as with the corkscrew, thus showing that butterfly weavage's base pattern is infact, a butterfly, not a weave or a cross between the two. Oh and also when I say the standard figure 8 style, I mean that if you were to trail the poi during a weave your mind instantly makes a figure eight, but when you look at a butterfly say going from front to btb , in technicality it makes a figure 8 but not in the same style as is the standard I think if I keep going I'll just keep repeating as I feel I've done...oh well...

I do not mean to offend anyone, its just I believe very firmly in this, but it is not a system, atleast it is not what i would call my system for base patterns, but just how I've understood them

-Poikid-