Define ~ Move
Define ~ Move
I'd like to hear some definitions for this term, then we'll refine the definition and finally once poiple are agreed we'll add it to the Poidia.
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Define ~ Move
Umm..... I would see it as............
Any one pattern.........?? Heh sorry
M-P Kid
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I would say that a move is a base pattern.. and then there are variations of that pattern
i.e the weave is a base pattern..
3,,4,5,6,7,8,9 bt weaves are variations of this move...
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I dunno... a fountain is a "move" in that it's a whole thing you do built up from combining patterns.
I guess what Matt is getting at is:
Weave - base pattern
3bt weave - pattern
Fountain - move
i.e. each layer builds upon the last.
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I tend to look at the pattern of a fountain as being the 3 circle weave.. so perhaps base was the wrong word to use.. and pattern is more apprpriate
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my definition of Move:
any action with one or both poi that you want to describe.
There's no point in getting a definition where you end up telling someone
"i'm sorry sir, but that isn't a move...
...it's actually 3 moves."
...it's a variation."
...it's only half a move."
etc etc
Hearing such things being said would make me an angry monkey.
Moves are just that. Moves. When you move the poi.
Even when you keep them still actually. Thats a move too.
Even when you wave them about totally randomly with no thought to plane control or drawing circles. That's one of my favourite moves
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which is why move is any combination of abilities that you have learned.. that goes from 1-infinity.. if it could... The point is move delineates a concept that you are trying to express, not just a pretty pattern.. which is why most moves don't share any characteristics apart from the fore mentioned one.. my move can be as short as quarter spin to as long as start to finish spinning, depending on the point that you are trying to get across.. that's all he's saying.. and he's spot on..
clipping your poi to your clothes is your move.. its how you intend to move your poi.. same thing if I hold my poi, link mypoi, spin, my poi, wrap, bounce, whatever.. its what I am doing with my poi.. you have a concept, it involves poi.. there ya go..
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The monkey is dead on here. You can "define" a move however you want... and there may very well be a formal name for a move. But if there's also a common name that refers to what would formally be 3 moves with transitions, then who cares whether it's 1 move or 3 as long as we all understand each other? You can have moves nested within moves.
A move is like a noun in a sentence. It's a word that describes a movement or set of movements with the poi. A Fountain, for instance, is a "move" but it's also a set of moves if you break it down to more formal language.
Orbit
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[quote="Orbit"]who cares whether it's 1 move or 3 as long as we all understand each other?
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Orbit: The point is 'WE DO NOT UNDERSTAND EACH OTHER'. Just as in english we have a meaning for cat and a meaning for dog so too must we have a meaning for move.
Personally, I know only 1 move. It is different every time and lasts for as long as i spin. I also believe that focusing on that definition whilst spinning will improve poiples fluidity.
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how about 'a choreographed chain of movements which results in an aesthetically pleasing pattern' (in the visual sense, im not trying get into that debate again)
Then our moves can be as long or short as we want em to be
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[quote="matt"]Just as in english we have a meaning for cat and a meaning for dog so too must we have a meaning for move
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[quote="Baphomet"]how about 'a choreographed chain of movements which results in an aesthetically pleasing pattern' (in the visual sense, im not trying get into that debate again)
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nice one simain, I donty think object manipulators should be alowed near semantics myself....
I can vouch for monkey, he can make even the most beutifull move look ugly and booring, but hes very good!
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choreographed? you can't improvise a move?
Aesthetically pleasing? That's a bit subjective innit?
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but moves aren't necesaarily repeatable or dileberate... a lot of the coolest moves I do aren't repeatabel because I don'tknow what I did..nor are they diliberate, becaseu there was now active willing on my part to do anything..
move is one of the terms here that has to remain vague BY DEFINTION.. somethings are jsut inherently vague.. think about the term man.. yself, matt, itchell, orbit, spiral, simian, etc.. do NOT look the same.. yet we are all man.. why .. because man is vague.. its meant to be.. human..human is a term that's even more vague.. yet I can apply these vague terms to very concise clear pictures.. I can be as specific an detailed as I want decribing A man.. or I can be as genereic as I want describing MAN..
I can be as clear as I want decribing A move which will ahve features that others don't.. let's say form the beginning of my spin until the end.. has lots of features that other -specific- moves like weave do not.. which leaves move as a gneral concept. that doesn't mean it is lacking in specific refernetials.. it just means that those referentials are loosely tied together.. what makes matt and me both men and both human are the same.. our aprticualr features, etc are quite different.. so even though matt and I are nothing alike.. we are alike in many ways.. that's how moves work. they are just a chain of concepts that we are trying to expres.s. they can be dilberate as in 'look at this move' or unintentional.. 'did you see that move I just did.. how did that work?'
it can be choreographed as in you do this then this then this.. ala a fountain.. or it can be unscripted..like a lot of practice sessions..
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I take your point but i think the general use of the term 'a move' is used to rigidly designate one specific set of movements, be it a long chain or short pattern. This does seem to be a limiting term, but I think what your talking about is better referred to not as moves but as 'flowing', where the transition from one move to another begins to break down to such an extent that no-one, including yourself, knows where one ends and the next begins. Look at the tutorial vids... all of the rigidly designated moves have names, or are illustrating a specific pattern... but the freestylin' vids don't...why?...because the freestylin' vids do not show moves, but flow. It is the aim of all us poisters to flow, to not be tied in limited boundaries, but learning 'moves' is the means by which we learn to 'flow', and when we flow we discover all the rules we previously religiously adhered to (such as beats, planes etc.) can be broken.
Think of moves as a LEARNING tool that once mastered become redundant.
Yes, moves can be found by chance... but i find if i randomly hit on a pattern that i like and don't already know i do everything in my power to be able to repeat that pattern at will, hence i learn a new move. The ones i can't repeat become a kind of holy grail, something that i dearly wish and try to repeat. Maybe this is just me, but i have a suspicion many others feel like this when randomly twirling.
I understand the desire for an open ended term, but it is easier to learn and teach if moves are understood to have a specific reference.
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So we all agree that the term 'Move' is very vague / subjective and limits our potential if we try to rigidly define it.
That's what i've learnt from this anyhow.
A move is more than just a description of a pattern. There is a certain emotion that goes into a move compared to the rather rigid and mathematical characterists of a pattern.
Also 1 move may contain many other moves.
I see no reason why we can't agree on many different meanings for this term. We don't have to contain the term within 1 definition. Maybe this 1 word has several equally valid definitions.
For example, here is the definition of 'move' from dictionary.com:
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that's the point I was trying to make.. in that some peopla were arguing that move is specific, and some genreal.. and the only thing I can think is that a move is like a line.. whether you have 2 points or twenty points..its still a line.. whether the two points are right next to each other or far apart its still a line.. whether it twists and turns and what not its still a line.. and the designation of point alpha and point omega are subjective.. we are all right in how we define move.. its just none of us are more right then the others.
**on a slight tangent** kudos on dictionary.com... probably one of the most frequented places I use.. did you know that some words you have to pay to get the definition.. I wish I could remember the word I had to look up last semester, but it told me premium members only have access to this word.. and I thought to myself.. how do you designate a word to be 'premium'.. like poor people aren't good enough to know this word.. what gives? **end tangent** I just thought this thread could use a good laugh..