Tangled weaving.. or something like it

ok..so I've been playing a bit more with my socks.. they are fun for learning things because they spin a little slower.. but slower is better for understanding. faster is better for praticing.. when I came across something that's not new, but fits the definition of tanlges weaving as best as I can describe..

**note.. I just deleted the page I typed up.. I realized a better way to describe it.. **

ok.. first you need to know how to buzzsaw weave from the 5bt weave.. basically it weaves in the buzzsaw and opens for the seperation on each end outside of the buzzsaw, then returns back through..

now if you do it spirals way (ie. the nonisolated way) then you need to try and learn it with your hands about a foot apart..now instead of getting a weave like motionsyou get a a tangle in the buzzsaw and weave on the outsides... if you isoalte this, it looks like a buzzsaw weave, and weaves like a buzzsaw weave, but you can keep the strings tangled.. congratualtions your halfway there..

now what we have (if we allow our seperation on either end to be somewhat giant) is a large circle, into an isolated tangled buzzsaw, into a large circle... and back.. what I've been doing is tanlging before entering the buzzsaw.. so that it goes giant circle, hyperloop ( A tangle), isolated tanlged buzzsaw.. hope your still with me becuse here's where it gets tricky... we use the hyperloop (A tangle) to get into this move for 1 big reason.. that is when you enter into a tangles buzzsaw, your poi will exit in the manner they came in.. so by entering with an a tanlge, should we ever exit it will exit in an a tangle (thus still tangled) and allows us to conitnue on.. basically everything we are about to operate with is a B tangleb (airwrap), but since it was entered from the A tangle (hyperloop) it will still have a slight tanlge should we ever bounce a poi oustide of the buzzsaw plane... this is critical because sometimes with buzzsaw weaving you find yourself in need to bounce one poi outside the buzzsaw and then bring it back in to keep things flowing smoothly.. well by entering the buzzsaw area with a tangle it means that we will be able to bounce one poi out periodically and that poi to remain tangled.. a normal tanlged buzzsaw (whichj enters non tangled and exits non tangled) would lose the tanlge as soon as one poi exited..

ok.. so now I've made a big mass of confusion.. so let me explain another small facet of what we are working with.. the tangled buzzsaw turn... basically, when working with a B tanlge (airwrap) one hand is always going to be further to one side or the other (or further out in cases of the wall plane..) lets say I do an airwrap in the wall plane with my poi going clockwise.. I have my left hand further out then my right hand... this allows the poi to connect at an angle and thus directly into our B tanlge.. I can then use isoalted type hand motions to make circlesas my left hand comes to th 12:00 it starts to move back toward me passes 3:00 then 6:00 where it begins to make its circle path on the inside passing 9:00, 12:00, 3:00, 6:00 where it then begins to make its way back further out.. my right hand does the same thing only in splkt time (sitll isolated.).. so that as my hand make cirlces.. they are at the opposite clock times apart.. 3 and 9, 12 and 6... but they are spinning the same path.. this keeps one outside and one inside at all times.. which maintains the B tangle.. it also places are hands doing larger circles around the poi spinning a smaller circle in the middle of the clock.. if you pay attention to you hand movements.. (not the poi) your hands are making a weave path.. one circle in, arc to one cricle out, arc to one circle in...

trust me.. I've tried to find other ways to describe it and I cant.. the best thing I can relate it to is like doing a buzzsaw in a corkscrew.. you can take a corkscrew and do a buzzsaw up and back down without ever leaving the buzzsaw... I'm almost possitive you could do what I described above without tangling and maintian a parallel buzzsaw(parallel to the body as opposed to the normal perpendicualr buzzsaw) the entire time..

ok.. so now I went on this strange divergent path to teach you that funky buzzsaw stuff... why you ask? because that's the motion you will do on either end of the buzzsaw weave... remember how you have that somewhat giant seperation on either end... well your hand wioll make that giant path.. but the poi are going to stay tangled in the middle.. so what ends up happening is you start from a seperation, go into a hyperloop (alpha tangle) and then instead of holding your hands still conitnue to isoalte the movements, through the buzzsaw, into the giant seperation (hand wise) which as described 2 paragraphs up should keep the tangle in the center, back into the buzzsaw, and so forth... on occasion you can just have one poi spin a circle outside the buzszsaw and reenter instead of doing the 2 paragraph up stuff.. all in all this creates a situation where you look and feel like your weaving, because of the isoaltions, but are tangled the WHOLE time...

none of this is really new.. its just a diffferent way of applying a bunch of small techniques together.. I remember seeing a post on tangled weaving, and this just seems to hit that dead on....

notes:
yes I know that the buzzsaw in the corkscrew actually does like one beat outside.. this is the same as taking a single wall plane isolate buzzsaw fountain, where it crosses at the top and the bottom, there is some awkwardness.. that awkwardness is what we are playing with.. so basically if you can cross the top of and bttom of an isolated buzzsaw fountain easily, then you've got most of your work knocked out.. just learn to do those motions tangled..
yes to do that part tanlges you do have to be aware of both hand movementsd and poi... because with just a beta tangle (airwrap) if you time wrong it untangles.. I tried to do a tangled buzzsaw fountain, but had to retangle as I crossed the top and the btoom (the awkward part) until I realized I need to do it on odd beats instead of even..
yes this is manipulation of the buzzsaw.. basically almost allof it is buzzsaw, but its the way you work the buzzsaw planes that allow you to look and feel like your weaving.. all of this, should be able to be done with regualr isoalted buzzsaws.. its kinda what fueled this.. I ahven't seen an isolated weave in a while but I'm wondering how close this is to that.. here's why:

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1 R L 2
o o /
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o / o
L Body R
left side right side

3 L R 4
o o /
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o / o
R Body L
left side right side
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those are the 4 positions that your hands get in when doing this.. this puts the poi in the buzzsaw plane .ie.e bewteen the arms.. but it does so in such a way that is appears to be weaved.. imagine rotating just on the left side between the two left side diagrams.. your arms making weaving motions, while the poi just spin normal buzzsaw in the middle.. if you were to make this horizontal instead of vertical, you would see how you can buzzsaw up and down inside the corkscrew... if you insert a tangle in there instead of parallel, you get picture of what I'm talking about in the stuff above.. basically do 1 then 3 then 1 back through the buzzsaw, then 2 then 4 then 2 then back through the buzzsaw... and if you do that tangled.. then you got what I was discussing above... I don't feel like going back and editing the top part because well I've retyped this enough time already and I'm not going to outright delete the top part, because as confuzzled as it is, I still think there is some useful tidbits in there.. for some reason I think a vague description, followed by a nice diagram, with pointers back to the vague description actually works in some harmonius way...

oh and one final bit... this IS HARD... or at least doing it tangled is... I get it ahlf the time and half the time it just falls to crap.. it may be because I'm using socks.. they don't hold momentum well.. I can do the part described in the diagram only tangled much easier with my sticks, and that seems to be where I run into probelms with my socks.. but I still think its hard.. that's probably got to do with the fact that I'm not 100% certain this is all the details... kinda like seeing a wall plane alpha tangle and thinking its an airwrap... wanted to post it up.. maybe someone else can pick up on it.