Define ~ Tracer

Pretty please as I have no idea what this is :roll:

l8rs!! Sphism/gigglesmiley

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Eek I'm just learning these myself. I'd say go and copy down Rev's post in the rotational reverse?? Thus far he seems to be the most detailed.

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A trace is when you change your swinging style.. normally your poi via centrifugal force, pull them selves.. we just kind of guide them a little.. a tracer is the opposite.. instead of the poi pulling out from your hand.. your hand is going to pull the poi... no in order to get any kind of pattern out of pulling your poi, you have to pull around something.. like a pulley.. you can getinto them with or without wrapping..

it helps to think of it like this: you can't make patterns pulling poi, if you don't pull around things.. it runs contrary to how we think of spinning..[/code]

hmm, i've played a little withwhat i consider 'pulling' the poi around, rather than swinging them. A similar kind of feeling to isolations, where you try to make the poi aligned to a tangent of the circle, rather then pointed toward it's centre. does that make sense?

But thats not in the sense of pulling around a pivot point. So they aren't tracers. Are they? i still don't really understand what they're meant to be... hang on, i should really read that thread in rotational reverse... :arrow:

ok check this out.. it traces and outline of the body part you pull around.. when Imake a loop around my neck the poi has to spin a circle around my neck until it reaches the proper alignment to continue moving in a straight line to the next point..

bascialyl peopleknow them from wraps because a wrap is an easy way to do it.. and get rope burn.. lol... because when you wrap it makes a spiral (no matter how compressed) when you pull, instead of letting it recoil, the poi will not get chance to spiral out.. it will instead be pulled along the coiled spiral on your arm... all the slack that should be letting it spiral further out is take up on the other end by the hand.. now the key to this is in the recoil.. if you wait to pull, until after the poi is ready to recoil, it will will not tighten sround the bodypart.. If you pull before the poi enters that free fall state, the poi and your hand will be tightening a coil.. ouch..

wraps make it easier to do traces because it does the pattern for you.. as it wraps it makes the coiled pattern on your arm.. however onece you start tracing.. the pulling that your handdoes is leading the trace.. so from there on its easier to just lead your hand around the wrap point.. you can trace sections of circles, like over shoulders, or all the way around once and then a little to get a clearer effect.

very well explained. props Sphism/tonguesmiley

I get it and I agree. Rev has a nack for making me understand poi in text. Sphism/smilesmiley

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OK, From what I understand:

Tracers:
Pulling on the handle to lead the poi head along the path of the poi body which is wrapped around an appendage.

Needs work... Sphism/confusedsmiley

it doesnt have to be an appendage.. or anything...

for example..

forward butterfly
wrap right poi on top of left bicep, left poi on the top of right thigh..
bull the right hand toward the right thigh and left hand to the left bicep..
when they pass each other roll your hands around each other and pass the poi.. and pull you hands behind you.. it makes an airwrapon your chest.. but never stops tracing...

its just pulling aroudn pulley points.. like connecting the dots using thread and pegs so to speak..

So what's your definition then?

well I don't know really.. I describe it as pulling the poi around a number of wrap points like a pulley.. I don't know if that's clear or not..

Tracer

A tracer is where you pull the poi around one or more parts of the body as if the poi was a pulley.

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yeah.. I mean.. I can see where this has issues.. but not anything that couldnt be solved by reading the posts above it or asking specific questions you know..

which is why I kinda was unsure on a definition.. I wanted something that would aleviate said questions and what not.. but I don't think there is a satisfactory way to do it you know..

things like tangled traces (traces with tangled parts obviously).. and non pulley turn traces (traces where the pulley point is air so to speak)..

but again.. I think things like that are better left to lingering questions.. but that's just me.. all in all it still functions the same essentially..

what's a non pulley trace exactly? sort of like a isolation only your pulling it through the air?

[quote="Rev"]yeah.. I mean.. I can see where this has issues.. but not anything that couldnt be solved by reading the posts above it or asking specific questions you know..

which is why I kinda was unsure on a definition.. I wanted something that would aleviate said questions and what not.. but I don't think there is a satisfactory way to do it you know..

things like tangled traces (traces with tangled parts obviously).. and non pulley turn traces (traces where the pulley point is air so to speak)..

but again.. I think things like that are better left to lingering questions.. but that's just me.. all in all it still functions the same essentially..

[quote="spiralx"]Tracer

A tracer is where you pull the poi around one or more parts of the body as if the poi was a pulley.

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Hmm well pedantically the poi plus the body part is the equivalent of a pulley... so how about?

Tracer

A tracer is where you pull the poi around one or more parts of the body as if the poi and your body were like a pulley.

spiral... I never said i disagreed.. I just said I didnt' articulate it, because I didn't know where to draw the line.. that of course is acceptable by me.. (though I wouldnt say I'm an authority on tracers lol)

non pulley traces involve isolations and free fall.. thus getting the trace effect without actually having to touch a body part.. it still works the same, your just using a higher level of control to make the poi spin the motions without outside influence..

anyone fancy making a vid? OR getting poibot to do it? im as lost as an african penguin here Sphism/tonguesmiley

|Jim

here this is about as simple as it gets.. wrap your right poi on your left arm.. instead of letting it recoil, pull the handle.. this pulls the poi around the arm.. voila... there are lots of ways to get to that motion.. and that's where the fun is..

peace

awesome, ive been doin that swinging RH outwards infront of me, over so it wraps on my right foot, then it swings inwards onto my left arm =D

Ta, Jim