Defined ~ Thru Wrap
Defined ~ Thru Wrap
Thru Wrap:
A move where the string of the poi is partially wrapped around any body part, but the poi head never touches that body part. The body part is then used to control the string as your hand might have to transition to another plane and/or side, whereupon the string unwraps and continues swinging, -always- in the same direction, from your view and from outside observers.
See 'slang and alternatives' for Thru Wrap's other names
NB The rest of this thread is the discusion which lead up to the description shown here and does not lead on from here.
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Defined ~ Thru Wrap
is it?
thru wrap:
the sring of the poi is made to wrap aroound any body part. the body part is then used to controle the string and cause it to transition to another plane, whereupon the string unwraps the body part and continues swinging. to the outside observer there is no change in direction.
the simplest example of a through wrap can be done with a key chain, swing the chain, let it wrap around your finger a few times, take the swing to the otherside of your body, and watch the chain unwrap.
easy.
T :twisted:
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Okay, maybe it was tough for me because I don't know which moves people consider thru-wraps and which are not.
I don't think the keychain example is particularly good one though... but overall I like your definition.
Is a move where you don't wrap all the way around a body part still a thru-wrap?
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That's a good question.
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Ummmm
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yeah, anything where the poi bends, weather its several turns or half a turn, as long as it dosnt recoil, and is transitioned to another plane to unwrap, is a thru wrap. A hyperloop is just a special kind of thru wrap.
the keychain is just the easiest and most familiar example of the phenomenon.
there is a grey area, which is recoils that are transitioned as they recoil, so that the poi comes out going the same direction still, ever though its recoiled. I would probibly call the fakey recoils, but i know in here matt means something else by fakey. (tho i dont agree with that system, but bah! )
T :twisted:
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And then there are thru-wraps that change direction like those crazy cats cradle wrist wraps where you twist your hands under and out.
But that's just complicating the issue
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nahh, if it changes direction its definatly not a thru wrap, its something else. id have to be clearer on what your saying to tell you what tho.
T :twisted:
at the limits of terminology is where we find the creative.....
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The definition works for me.
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What if we take out the bit about the outside observer seeing no change in direction? That way, if there isn't a recoil, it may keep going in the same direction, but if there is a recoil, it changes?!? This may also require thinking of a wrap in a different way, or thinking of what happens sometimes in thru-wraps as a fraction of a wrap?
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Ok after seeing that theres something I do that I THINK is a thru wrap...correct me if I'm worng Nix
Ok I'm in a 3bt reverse weave, and as the right hand goes ontop of the left over on the left side, i let part of the string swing around my left arm, as though it would be a full recoil wrap, however right when the string meets where it first wrapped (the poi head is about a foot higher than the arm its wrapping around, sorta longish strings I have)anyways where it meets where it first wraps, I swing my left arm sorta down and then over to the right (to keep the momentum swing down but i dont think its necessary) anyways over to the right where the string is still going the same direction when it exits. So it never actually 'wraps' in the since of having any sort of recoil, but it momentarily wraps around the limb but swung to the other side, same direction. Then, right after it exits I wrap the left one on the right arm to give a nice little pattern
Is this a thru wrap?? I figured that one out about 6 months ago and haven't found a name for it. Anyways, what do you say Nix?
-Poikid-
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Yup, that's one
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poi kid, thats a thu wrap, and a good one too.
[quote="Orbit"]What if we take out the bit about the outside observer seeing no change in direction? That way, if there isn't a recoil, it may keep going in the same direction, but if there is a recoil, it changes?!? This may also require thinking of a wrap in a different way, or thinking of what happens sometimes in thru-wraps as a fraction of a wrap?
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Oh way cool
Thru wraps very fun then! I think the outside perspective should stay , though I can definitally see why it should go but -imo- I like that, because usually when I'm learning a new funky pattern, I'll try and sorta mentally step outside the body to see what the strings would be doing, and then figure out what my hands should do to make that pattern...but I dont know if others do this. 
Peace y'all!
Good definition on thru wrap, I think
-Poikid-
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Thought about it some more, and realized that what I was thinking of in terms of recoil would not actually be a tru-wrap at all. I was wrong.
Orbit.
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Hey no worries orbit. Whats the point of having forums for poi if not to learn the tru meaning eh?
Have fun with these man
-Poikid-
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Shhh! I have to make a public showing of being able to admit I'm wrong once in a while so that I can be obnoxious and stubborn other times and still claim not to be dogmatic!
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:x Hey! That's my trick!
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OK, we need to get back to defining. Heres a suggestion for a def
Thru Wrap:
A move where the string of the poi is partially wrapped around any body part, but the poi head never touches that body part. The body part is then used to control the string as your hand might have to transition to another plane and/or side, whereupon the string unwraps and continues swinging, -always- in the same direction, from your view and from outside observers.
See 'slang and alternatives' for Thru Wrap's other names
How's this work? Oh and for the slang and alternatives bit I was thinking that we could make a section of the poidia with all the differant known names for moves, so that people can look and see if this name means that and that move is this name and so on. So...yet again...will it work?
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hey girlie.. I edited your post.I hope you don't mind.. changed part of your definition from saying "as your hand might of" to "as your hand might have"
just a minor swtch that makes it a little eaiser to read, but I'm game..
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Hehe no problem Rev, anything that makes it all better
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That definition works for me.
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sure ??? (hint)