Across the Body Hyperloop
In the "Hyperloop ~ Across body ~ Forwards" and the "Side View" videos you do a inner circle (buzzsaw) when moving across your body.
This is totally different to the hyperloop I use to go across my body. My hyperloop is a tangle on one side which is moved across to the other side where it untangles and the poi continue to spin their merry little hearts out.
Oh and I can't hyperloop across my body from a reverse weave when going from left to right (right to left is fine, can't make head nor tail of why it doesn't work the other way though)
I can also do about half of the move shown in the videos, i.e. I can go from a 3 Beat Weave (Forwards) into a very dodgy tangled buzzsaw (or whatever it's called) and them sometimes back out on the same side. Usually left to left. However I can't exit on the opposite side.
Having taken another look at the video it seems that this could be down to the hand positions that are used. The hands in the video being at 3 and 9 (ish) and mine being at 12 and 6 (or there abouts)
*&%$(£$^% It is as well, ok, well I seem to have gotten that move working some of the time so THANKS MATT!
Hmm makes this a somewhat less pointfull (is that a word? Can't be it's daft) post, still I shalln't let that stop me.
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OK after having spent, what, 10, 15 minutes playing with hyperloops and the new knowledge I have gained, which being as fresh as it is may well turn out to be a load of tripe, I have sort of worked a few things out, at least I hope I have.
I find that the hard part of the hyperloop shown in the affore mentioned video is exiting the inner circle spin, however I believe the trick is to accelerate the poi of the side you are moving to (from Forwards weave direction) and enlarge the size of the circle you hand is doing to help the poi seperate from one another.
Also regarding the hyperloop variation that I do, it can also be done at closer to 3 and 9 but seems to require having the on hand (so when moving from right to left the right hand would be the on hand) to be over the off hand. erm the above seems somewhat muddy I can try and explain it better but not just now I think.
I'm going to have to have a bigger think and come back to this.
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Yeah, there are loads and loads and loads of different hyperloops. I've got examples of a few more of them to upload but still I think there are at least as many as every other poi pattern put together!!
I think what you are talking about tangles on one side (outside of your arms) then flicks straight across to the opposite Outside. Am I right? This move is made easier by starting the tangle at 12 & 6 o'clock (imagine the face of a clock!!)
The one I'm doing tangles on the outside, then comes inside my arms, then to the opposite outside. Which I learnt before the one i just mensioned.
Are you right handed? I find when I do hyperloops it is best to kinda slow one poi and accelerate the otherone into it, i.e. I 'catch' one with the other. I generally find that no matter which way I am turning I 'catch' with my right poi. Practice all the hyperloops you can do whilst focusing on 'catching' with the Left poi. When you later try this one you are having trouble with you should find you can do it.
That's funny, I've never been able to figure out a hyperloop that tangles on the outside, then goes inside, then back to the same outside. I've a feeling this is an odd beat hyperloop. i.e there are 3 beats during the tangle, but don't hold me to it. Oh yeah counting the beats during the tangle is essential for learning perposes. Then you just feel your way.
Hope that helps, oh hyperloops are easiest with sock poi.
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This is one of the reasons I wanted the Hyper loop forum to ask what dub has asked. I thought the Hyperloop shown were "hyperloop with tangled buzzsaw" And a simple hyperloop was a tangle on the outside of one side then untangle on the other. I was also Trying them with my hands at 12 and 6 but I've found out recently if I start with my hands at 12 and 6 and swap them over, 6 to 12 and 12 to 6, as I move to the other side the buzzsaw thing happens (and I bouce around the room for five minutes with happieness as I never could get that)
I guess this all comes down to naming. When's Plural Zee Alpha gonna be ready to solve all these problems?
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Firstly I suggest that we leave the term 'Tangled Buzzsaw' on HOP ~ along with 'Airwraps'.
Perhaps we should erase these terms from the collective conscious, damn it, can't remember the password to log in
Around here, anything that Tangles is a Hyperloop!! I don't mean to sound like a fascist but someone has got to draw the line as the standard terminology is actually stopping poiple from learning. To tell you the truth I don't even like the term hyperloop, I always refered to them as 'Poi Wraps' but I prefer the term '2nd Harmonic' which is precisely what they are.
Y-Plane
If you are spinning something like a weave then the Hyperloops you do could be 'Outside Left' [both poi spin beyond the left side of your body], 'Inside' [poi spin in the 'buzzsaw zone' in between your arms], or 'Outside Right' [both poi spin beyond the right side of your body].
Z-Plane
If you are spining in the wall plane (butterfly plane) then your hyperloops will mostly be in 2 positions; 'Outside' [In front of your body beyond the reach of your hands], 'Inside' [In between you hands and your body, it helps to spread your elbows away from each other to enlarge this space] The 3rd area could be behind your head or something.
Okay, I've just had a look at the hyperloop tutorials and it has suddenly hit me why you poiple are are getting confused ~ there are only 4 tutorials! I've got another 12 to upload, oops, thought i'd done that..
First off you wanna open up both the 'hyperloop ~ basic' tutorials. It's a contradiction in terms I know. But nevertheless you can see firstly that I am doing this move in the Z-plane. I.e, relative to me the poi are in line with my shoulders.
Second you notice that the tangle starts 'Outside' my arms and pulls 'Inside' to untangle. So you'll notice in the 'front view' tutorial that BEFORE the tangle I push both poi away from my body. This means that DURING the tangle, they will naturally pull back inside my arms.
What you may not notice is that there are 2 beats during the tangle.
When I move the tangle across my body (Y-plane) the temptation is to Rush. But of course There Is No Rush The tangle starts on the Outside, comes straight inside for 2 Beats [pause and count 1,2], then continue to push the tangle to the 'Opposite Outside'.
I will upload some more hyperloop clips soon, i have an example of the 'Outside to Opposite Outside' Hyperloop that should clarify things a little. It's not the best example though, and I just love the 'Outside, Inside, Opposite Outside' Hyperloops.
A big problem with this stuff is Notation. I intend to build an 'Encyclopoidia' where everyone can vote on names and terminology. But that will probably wait untill all these movies are uploaded. Oh yeah, spherculism is about to step up a gear ~ I'm buying a phatty laptop today
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I was going to try and work through a few thoughts but as Matt is uploading some new vids soon I shalln't bother, other than to say that.
Outside Hyperloop Across the Body in the Y Plane is normally done (using right to left and forwards motion as the example) with your right (on) hand at 12 (high) and your left (off) hand at 6 (low). Your right (on) hand should also be futher from your body than your left (on) hand. Then once you successfully move it across the body it should pretty much undo itself
You can also do the same move at 3 and 9 (well near 3 and 9 anyway). Your right (on) hand wants to be further forwards and on the outside on your left (off) hand, then move across as normal. It feels as though this would be smoother if perform in the Z plane.
The most intersting thing I have found from this is the, what happens if you try and swap your on and off hands with each hyperloop? Yay, what fun.
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OK, just made the giant leap from homeofpoi having run out of fun to learn... i thought... now it's 6am and i can't wait for the bristol streets to warm so i can go practise outside! anyone in the area who can teach me hyperloops or multiple beat (sigh) thread the needles would be amazing, videos are great but i just get lost! also since it's my first post i have to say the site's amazing!
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I reckon this one looks nice but it's quite hard to count the beats, which is what you need to do to exit clean.. if you connect the poi on the inside of your arms on one side so that when they hit (looking from top view) the poi make a 'v' pointing towards your body (assuming you tangle closer to the heads which is defo necessary for this trick), rather than away from you, and then go into a tangled buzzsaw for two beats you can exit on the same side where the poi create a ,^, pointing away from you.
Looks pretty nice cause you can have as many beats as you like and the hyperloop doesn't have to move anywhere at all.
Best hyperloop Ive seen is one I just learnt today - start with a butterfly hyperloop connecting on your rhs and where you would normally exit the hyploop turn 90 to your right and turn it into a tangled buzzsaw by doing a forward circle with your left hand. Then continuing to guide it with your left hand turn 180 after two beats into a reverse tangled buzzsaw for 2bts then exit on your left..
** Only just figured how to link the hyperloops I know and it feels good! Had to share
Al
oh yeah theres nothing wrong with the term tangled buzzsaw I learnt how to do one just from someone asking me if I could without giving me any explaination; it made enough sense for me just to try it and learn it.. however its a good point that quite a lot of notation can stop poiple learning, but some current notation has the opposite effect
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The trick with same direction hyperloops is that they're symmetrical on the inside and outside of your arms... as long as you obey this then you can get away with any variations. So outside-inside-same outside is easy, just make sure you do two beats inside.
The easiest across-body hyperloop should leave your hands pretty much in the same clock position as when you started. But by doing the isolated buzzsaw motion whilst the tangle is inside your arms you can keep it going for as many beats as you can keep it up. However it requires very clean isolated buzzsaw motions to make it look good and keep the poi in split time! One day I shall be able to do the isolated buzzsaw hyperloop fountain
As long as you keep them symmetrical and keep your arms at a constant distance apart, there's not a lot of ways you can't twist and turn hyperloops
Across the Body Hyperloop
am still being driven insane by hyperloops, keep on finding that one poi always hits the inside of my arms on their way from outside to inside (trying the 'basic' hyperloop) and am wondering what's going wrong, have been trying with fire (unlit), tennis ball and sock poi but still no luck with any, sock poi seem impossble as they lose their momentum as soon as they touch...any ideas poiple?
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perhaps you should try closer to the poi heads with your tangles... this shrinks the size of the hyperloop.. It sounds like you are trying an airwrap,since you are going outside to inside.. hitting closer to the poi heads will help solve your problem... g/l
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Try increasing the weight of the sock poi head a little. This will increase the momentum. They are tricky to Understand and visualise, but you'll get it soon enough.
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standard juggling balls are pretty much an ideal weight for hyperloops, probly best off putting them in some (non stretchy) socks - gives you a fair bit of control anyways :19
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Ever try hyperlooping something that has no weight for the head? Not fun. Really heavy heads seem to helo wit them, could always just gradually lower the weight.
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I've found that if the head is too heavy they kind of collapse and end up tangling in a negative fasion... but maybe that's just me being stoopid.
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Nope it not just you Faerie. Too heavy heads, negative tangling here too.
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With really heavy heads you just need to have it down really smoothly and make sure you've got enough momentum when you start the tangle. If the heads are losing momentum you can cheat and slightly pull your hands apart to speed them up... but this does of course make it harder to exit cleanly