Defined ~ Centre of rotation

Ok so maybe the center of rotation should be applied to something that completes a beat??

True... firstly, whats a Gilligan, and secondly (is that a word? Eek! maybe its twicely......doubly...ooph...) i thought carry=thru wrap.

Eek I just looked there I coulda sworn someone said they were the same...stupid memory. Will go look again

Wise man say 'Man who hate poi, hate himself'

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Hear hear!

Still off topic:

Michal Kahn's book is great 'n'all but IMHO the terminology sucks.

My friend had it and I had already taught her a lot of things but she couldn't understand the book very well at all, I had enough trouble trying to explain it to her.

Just because this terminology already exists is a near pointless arguement. Somethings existance doesnt make it correct.

I understand that any hybrid terminology should be close to what is already familiar so that the transition isn't too tricky.

I can't give examples cos i don't have a copy of the book, plus i never learned club swinging.

But come on, windmill, corkscrew and 2 beat weave :roll: . IMO that's 3 names for the same thing. This is a blatant example but i think that this runs pretty deep in the terminology we have.

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Absolutely.
But those aren't clubswinging terms.
Those are all terms created by poi people for poi people.
Clubswinging terms are generally much more logical and better thought out.

of course, if you want you can chuck out all the Clubswinging terminology and start again with a brand new poi terminology system, which is exactly what HoP did. i don't think it iswas a very good idea.

if you got Giants, why not stand on their shoulders?

Also, remember that trying to replace terminology is a useless exercise doomed to failure. You can only add to it, so make sure you add to it well, and don't duplicate names.

Finally: i reckon clubs were a lot more common than poi for the average caveman

I don't mean to tangent but windmills and corkscrews are identical.. but they are slightlydifferent.. variations of the weave then just different places.. basically because the places put them in position where they are equal parts each arm.. rather then one all the way on one side and one all the way on the other.. which is why they are naturally even beat rather then naturally odd beat..

again I apoligize for the tanget.. I think windmill and corkscrew are just names because people feel everything should have its own name.. whether or not they help (in terms of ease of reference) or whether they clutter (as in mroe terms) is also debatable..

as a mod I shouldn't be continuing this thread tangent but should have discussed this under the proper heading..

weave isn't even based.. weaves are odd based.. which is why you learn typically 2, but then 3, 5, 7, not 3,4,5,6, etc.. and then weave usually ends up odd beat.. how often do you really do even beat stuff?

windmills/corkscrews are even based.. they go 2,4,6 rather then 3,5,7.. yes you can do them odd. but then you are working odd.. and you'll always end up doing even based mroe naturally and higher beated then you will the odd stuff.. because the hands are even.. and thus contribute equally.. which is why you do a 4bt windmill/corkscrews, versus a 5 beat weave..

weaves get one arm cross body which makes the need for it to change lead hands to make the pattern work easier and flow more naturally..

cool, i never realised that before.

but Rev, did you read the bit where i pointed out that weave, corkscrew, windmill AREN'T clubswinging terms.

Clubswingers would just call windmill & corkscrew (respectively):

Overhead alternating follow hand circles

Horizontal alternating follow hand circles

and the weave is Cross follow (or chase)

(follow meaning split-time+same direction)

Definition works for me.

Nice- so do these get locked once confirmed??

Chut