Elements
You can split down base patterns even further:
The different variations of a figure 8: Where does it cross-over/ for how long / where does it come back . . .
Then you have to take into consideration the relation of the Circle to the body - not talking about planes anymore. But more the Pose you can have doing the same pattern.
Even further you have to consider your body movement in relation to the Poi - are you following the motion / are you moving against the motion / with the motion . . . .
And these are only a few elements that are below Base-Patterns . . .
. . . speaking about one Poi - the combination is much more complex . . .
. . . all according to my opinion 
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Elements
Woot man
I cant say I agree or disagree cause I dont really get it. Could you post some more on it? I dont wanna go off on a rant of my own ideas and find out I was way freaking off so am anxiously awaiting more on this subject
Elements
Just wanted to start a thread about Poi further down the line . . .
What are the base patterns of Base Patterns so to say.
I know they are there and they are important -
just wanted to know what your oppinion is !?!
Looking forward
moi
Elements
IMO the base pattern of a base pattern is still a base pattern.
It's just a matter of perspective.
What you are talking about here I would describe as Flavor.
The Flavor of a Base Pattern is all those little bits which are hard to put into words and often unique to every spinner. Like the precise locations you cross from and to. Like how you isolate, and how you use isolations to keep complex rhythms.
Elements is a hard one to define, as is Flavor, bon chance,
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Elements
Woah.....
Ok I think I understand what Elements is meaning then. Sounds cool. The only thing is that because of how unique to the spinner it is, I dont really think it can be defined in the poidia aside from something like saying how spinning varies for each spinner in tweaks they add to it, because again, with how much it differs from spinner to spinner how could we pinpoint it? It is a wonderful thought though, I am enamoured. It seems to take it to a whole new perspective , but again, I dont think it can be defined into set things like a regular base pattern. Elements and Flavor alike.
Elements
I think flavour is the basepattern of the basepattern of a basepattern according to your definition
so one step furter down the line.
For example the crossover-point (CP) of a figure8 is not personal taste but rather can make a real difference.
Take a corkscrew for example:
The "classic" version: the crossoverpoint is in front - one Hand follows each other, one Poi follows the other. Use your wrists and you get a 4 beat.
But now move the CP of the right Poi to the right and the CP of the left Poi to the left. The hands dont follow each other anymore but rather move opposite to each other. Now try doing the 4 beat with different CP . . .
Example therefore: http://www.homeofpoi.com/new6.htm
Same is true for other elements . . .
u know what i mean ?
Elements
I'm going to cry... :roll:
Elements
I still call that flavor.
[Node: The node is the center point of the circle your poi is spinning, if you spin in the wheel plane on your left side there is a node on your left. When you move the poi across your body the move from that node on the left to another node on the right (some refer to these as points)]
If you take any base pattern you can alter the nodes you use.
For example if we take the base pattern 2W (2 beat weave) in the wheel plane and apply it to the left and right nodes mentioned above we get a 2 Beat Weave.
If we use the wall plane and use 1 node in front of us and 1 node behind us then we get a 2 beat Windmill.
If we use the ceiling plane and apply a node above us and a node in front center then we get a 2 beat Corkscrew.
Is this what you are talking about???
The example you gave doesn't seem to be a good one because all you seem to be doing is spreading your arms farther apart whilst doing a 2 beat corkscrew??? I might be wrong but that's how i read it.
I think what you are talking about is a very important part of poi but i think this kind of stuff...
Cannot be written in notation and is quite personal to each spinner.
I agree that this should be included in the poidia but you're gonna need ot describe things in a whole lot more detail than you have done so far.
Look forward to reading it,
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Elements
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- I surrender :1 - Im off, there is no chance for me in describing things through the Internet. So you have to trust me when I say there is an important difference . . . . I discussed it with nick from thevenue.org and hes with me . . . but I could show him in person . . . so you have to come over or well probably meet at burningman . . . future will tell . . . keep on guys - ill drop by from time to time. Great Job you have done so far !
Compliments
Elements
Hey don't surrender. I know Nick too, he's agreat guy.
I'm not saying that what you are talking of doesn't exist, quite the opposite. I totally agree that there is more to poi than the physics we tend to discuss in this forum. All i'm saying is that from what you've written a complete noob would have no idea what you're talking about.
If your corkscew example refers to that crazy corkscrew that Nick does then i understand exactly what you are saying but would have no idea if i hadn't seen Nick doing it when i was last in Seattle.
Experimenting with the Nodes (as i like to call them) is essential to improving your repetoir.
Text is a killer huh, that's what fuelled me to upload all the videos.
Try to explain what you mean by refering to different tutorial vids. To do so just open a new window, go to the tutorial you like, copy the link and paste it into your post. That way we have a frame of reference. Also you could link to one of nicks videos where he does that crazy corkscrew, I think i've seen bluecat do a similar pattern in 'Black and Blue'
Go on, you know you wanna
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Elements
Hey
Man I totally agree with Elements but what I meant is that I dont think we could set a name of it for allllll of it like we would a weave or a ttn or a butterfly not like that is what I meant, which I thought is what you were wanting to do. My bad