Naming the throws

But if you catch it so it spins the other way then it hasn't done a full rotation.

I never called them this until i started doing the 1 1/2 and 2 throws (i know 1 throw should be 'single' and 2 throw should be double but then what d'you call a 1 1/2 throw)

Plus the ammount that they rotate is slightly dubious because it all depends at which point on the orbit you release the poi.

Perhaps a definition such as 'throw+' and 'throw-' would do the job for catching in the same direction (+) and catching so the poi reverses (-)

What about the doubles and trebles??

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actually matt, umm.. if your hands are moving clockwise when they connect with a counter clockwqisemoving handle.. the poi end up going back the other way.. kinda like a stall but you don't really notice the stall because it goes form a sort of free fall back into motion..and doesn't get a whip effect like you think it would, but rather a smooth transition into the other direction.. it pisses me off too.. because this is what happens a lot of times on my throws.. which is part of what stopped me doing them to begin with.. always having to wrap after I throw to get the direction i should be going..

Does it really make any sense to name throws? I mean a) if you can catch it and go in either direction and b) a move where you throw it and it does one revolution can be done with 2 revolutions, 3 revolutions etc and still be the same... then is a formal naming method needed?

SO i've edited another post up ^^^

But I tend to agree with spiralx that we don't need to really name them so rigidly.

I mean you can throw the poi as if to reverse catch it, but then you can give it a massive isolated movement and continue it spinning in the same direction.

So all that really matters is which way you want it to spin when it lands. Then you can catch it early or late to get what you want.

[BHBTBZS: you've just totally sorted out the problem i was having with timing, couldn't figure why my continue catches seemed to take longer than 1 spin, causes me to extend the other poi out to slow it down. Now i realise this is because it's 1 1/2 spins. Cheers]

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See how on a couple of the throws the poi head flys off to the left but on a couple the poi head pretty much just floats in front on my face ~ the latter is isolated.

Also notice that I let go of the handle when the head is at 12 o'clock, [pretty hard to see at low res with no slow mo i know] But as i release it i'm accelerating the handle off to the right (as you look at it) this accelleration stops the poi head dead in its tracks and the handle flys around it and back to my hand.

These vids were made soon after i figured you could isolate throws and aren't particularly good examples.

A perfectly isolated throw would have a center of rotation which does not move through the air at all

enjoy,

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Ok - so here we go . . .

Throwing Theory:

If you throw a Poi it always rotates around its balance Point.
You cannot alter that Point. Only the speed the Poi rotates around it.
The Balance Point is describing a parabola.
The direction the Balance Point is flying depends on the point where you release it.

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Thinking about playing clockwise, wallplane.
Everything between 12 and 6 oclock and the Poi is flying down.
At 12 oclocl the Poi is flying staight to the right.
At 6 oclock the Poi is flying straight to the left.
Between 6 and 9 the Poi is flying to the left.
At 9 oclock the Poi is flying straight up.
Between 9 and 12 the Poi is flying to the right.
)

I am playing with heavy Poi heads and a heavy chains.
Due to their high air resistance Sock-Poi have a different behaviour.

my 2 cents

Now we are talking Poi !

The word that I stumbled across in your thread was flicking. I absolutely know what you mean with it.
The question is now in how far that flicking changes the physics of the throw ?!?
My personal feeling tells me - it does only influence the "point of release" in an indirect way and the speed of rotation.

But thinking about it is definitely worth it - this way you could for example "save" a 3 oclock throw - which i never tried so far. I really start liking this thread !

Flicking against the momentum vs. Flicking with the momentum

Gonna post more tomorrow ...

Btw: I dont think any gyroscopic forces can be found within Poi - did my major in Physics and this is what my feeling tells me.

to get back to the naming of throws rather than the physics of, i was thinking about what parts of the throw are needed to be included in the name?

1) release area
2) catch area
3) number of revolutions
4) change of spin?
5) direction of spin at start?
6) release hand
7) catch hand

1+2)My first idea is how about naming the throw and catch separately. Surely this makes more sense as the throw can leave from a multitude of places and then be catched in many different places also.

3)The number of spins seems not to have an effect on anything about the other variables according to everyone above, right? So should be accounted for separately if at all... does anyone need to be told the difference between a throw with 2 spins and a throw with 1?

4)The change of spin is key to flowing into and out of the weaves or b-flies and so would be important to note in some way, probably in the catch half somehow, maybe a - sign for shorthand, can't think of a good term except reverse catch.

5)The direction of spin for many throws seems predetermined.
eg. for throws from right hand under the left arm the poi need to spin outwards.
This doesn't hold true for all throws though as you can do either direction throws just in front of or at the side of the body.

6+7) Each throw can be done from the left or right hand and can be catched by the same hand or by the other. If done by the other there's a pass or ANOTHER throw to be counted

From this thinking it would seem that naming throws in a purely structural way would be a waste of time and effort as there will be 7 distinct parts to each name...
Throw hand+location+direction of spin
Number of spins
Catch hand+location+direction of spin

for a move which takes less than a coupla seconds it seems a little extraneous to call it an:
righthand throw outwards behind the back with 4 spins caught lefthand reversed over the right shoulder...

Or in my shorthand:
RHTOBTB(4)-LHCORS

I think I've only seen one example of actually named throws thanks to poikid with her fountain throws which is basically a 2 ball juggle -> maybe juggling already has the names we need

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