Anti' Spin

I've seen this posted around the place, but not seen it discussed in detail anywhere. I've recently discovered only some simple joys of 'anti' spin - i don't know how else to describe it, other than your arm moves in the opposite direction of the poi. It's really.... mind opening. Many possibilities appear that for some reason I couldn't see before.

Well I thought i'd like to ask people about these things? I've beent trying to understand how this anti-weave works, but just cannot get it.
Any hints on other exercises to practice in antispin so i can get to this weave? I just don't think i've got enough practice in 'anti spinning' yet.
I've mucked about with high & low turns and flowers... but that's about it.
I can tell there's so much more but i seem to be stuck right now...

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I did a post in new to me called nips.. cute huh.. you can thank matt for that one.. whereI mention all of the moves that can be done..

in the weave section you'll find scattered descriptions in the 'agaisnt the grain' reverse weave or something like that... there are some clear points.. and then my mixed ramblings as it finally clicked with me.. I will ahve full descripsiotns of everything done either friday or sunday night.. with vids made sunday night or monday..

basics.. you won't notice when you are antispinning the stuff like a butterfly or a 2bt weave.. because well the hand motions is more inverted hand position then movement... so we'll skip ahead to two major divisions..

3bt nips weave-
start with the left side forward weave twisted up.. ie left hand over right hand.. now you need to take the left hand off the right and under the right and lead to the right side.. or you can take the right out from under and push it back over the left arm.. I don't suggest this because the left hand is your lead hand this side so it works best to do it the first way.. ahh hell let me draw it Sphism/winksmiley

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l
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L (over right)
R body
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r

r
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L|
|R body
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l

l
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L (under right)
R body
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r
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that's the left side of a 3bt nips weave starting from a twisted up regular 3bt weave.. though I don't think that diagram helps much to see the poi path vs the arms.. because the irght poi has to comunder the left armpit as it comes inside and then back outside.. and getting that in one circle is firggin hard.. but don't worry take your time doing the beats to get it around that will come in time..

it doesn't look all that special and it'll look more like a buzzsaw weave then anything.. but that's what it is reverse weave hand motions and forward spinning poi..

you can find more hints, tips and weirdness in the against the grain weave thread.. until I can post more..

now the other major player is the nips ttn...
for all intents an purposes I'll teach the 4bt ttn.. since its the easiest to notice and pick up (andf the regular 4bt ttn is derived from very basic motions.. Sphism/winksmiley ) for this one you need to start with a regular butterfly.. right hand a litttle higher and to the right of the left hand.. now take the right hand and lift up, pull it inside on the right side.. (ie closer to you while the left hand is further out.. ) and push under the left hand from the right side.. .. thus your hands should go 12-> 3- -> 6:00 instead of 12:00 -> 9 -> 6:00.. then the left hand should be on the top and to the right side.. lift it up and pull it inside to the left.. and then back under the right hand from the left.. thus making the left hand go 12:00 -> 9-> 3 tada.. 4bt nips ttn..

and what the hell how about a diagram.. forward butterfly(roughly)
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r----x----l
LR (right over)

/-----l
L r----
R

r----x----l
RL (left over)

r-----
/----l R
L

r----x----l
LR (right over)

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hope you can follow that..

friday or sunday I'll do a compelte write up.. with vid clips done whenever I can get matt new ones and he can get them up..

[quote="Rev"].. because the irght poi has to comunder the left armpit as it comes inside and then back outside.. and getting that in one circle is firggin hard.. but don't worry take your time doing the beats to get it around that will come in time..

Ahhh! Nips = spiN
i get it!

[quote="Draghkyre"]Ahhh! Nips = spiN
i get it!

Ok Rev, this post has finally made everything very clear indeed!

Nice one Sphism/gigglesmiley

Good work rev, nice nipS Sphism/winksmiley

Been working a lot on the 5 beat nips weave stuff that we were talking about th other day but then fell into doing what i think is a 5 beat inverted weave??? Where the 4th beat comes up between your arms instead of to the outside, kinda like doing a buzzsaw hyperloop but you tangle your arms instead of your poi.

What's nice about the anti spin stuff (nips) is that it links together all your regular spinning with all your hyperloop stuff, i think it would be a good stepping stone to learning the tangles.

Can't wait till i can freestyle it all together.

¦m¦

5bt inverted weave is where you do a 5bt twist and then go in with the leading poi... so going from R -> L it'd be the left poi that would enter the buzzsaw plane first.

the nipS weave is directly realted to arashi's inverteed weaves..

the NipS butterfly stuff though.. WOOTAH bizznatches.. that's some weirdness right there..

liek I said though peeps.. give me some time and I'll go through and try and make this nipS stuff as clear as possible.. I'm thinking it would be best though if I just type it up in pieces on my phone email them to myself and then post them all together.. I'm still trying to figure out where to sepeerate them.. because the weave, pw, smae direction ttn, and opposite ttn.. kinda don't fall into neat categories..

I'm thinking maybe just start a fresh one for the weave.. one for pw and same direction ttns.. and one for opposite ttns.. thoughts? because Idon't want to go through posting tonsmore threads liek we arelady have going..

(though I plane to link the new to you nipS versions to their corresponding threads.. )

yeah start up a thread for each one :-)
or a whole forum for anti spin! wooo yeah!
and i change my mind from before i still can't do these things.
i think i need some simpler excercises to get my mind used to the concept.
and a video. performed really REALLY slowly. at different angles. slowed down even more. at even more angles. Sphism/confusedsmiley
but i'm going away for a week or so, so i'll have to catchup later >_<

ok i think i've grasped the vauge theory of of this now. just gonna go outside and find out... could someone feed my cat while i'm away? i could be gone a while! Sphism/confusedsmiley

Check weave and butterfly sections.... I'll link them when I get power back to my computer... Can't do that on my phone..

nipS weave thread
nipS TTN thread