Poi Design - General Overview and Thoughts.

Poi Design - General Overview and Thoughts
last updated - 22 Jan '04 - 14:20 GMT

Err, Hi Sphism/smilesmiley *this might be quite long*

Welcome to the first of what should be the first of a group of topics on poi design.

I'm starting with a general overview mostly as it will give me something to refer to and it really is the most sensible place to start.

Future topics should follow the following sort of system/theme e.g.
Poi Components - Head - Types & Materials
Poi Types - Sock Poi - Basic & Variants

Once a few of the in-depth topics have been written I will re-use this topic to refer to the other topics. This might work, it might not.

Here goes....*gulp*

Poi Types - Overview
Sock Poi - There a quite a few variations of this type, although the all are similar to the design of a juggling/swinging club. The most significant variation that I know of is stretchy and non-stretchy.

Ribbon Poi - Perhaps the most common type of daylight poi used. Looks pretty, damned hard to use compared to the Sock Poi though.

Glowstick Poi - Pretty much the lightest and smallest of poi types, very good for doing recoil combos. Bear a significant similarity to Sock Poi.

Fire Poi - Hugely varied in designs and components.

Flag Poi - This is the only other significant variation in design and bears a similarity to Ribbon Poi. I have never used this type but believe them to be the least useful.

Now the above list hasn't really stated anything amazing and as this is an enourmous topic I will undoubtedly make mistakes.

Poi Components - Overview
Head - The heavy bit, be it; a kevlar rope monkey fist knot, an aerotech globall, a dog toy, a split tennis ball, lentils, whatever.

Handle - The bit you hold.

:roll: Body :roll: - The flexible part that connects the Head to the Handle
(you know the chain/string/whatever. OK I made the name up, sorry if you don't like it but it's the only generic term I could think of)

Connections - The bits that connect it all to one another.

And again nothing amazingly intersting there but bear with me, I might get somewhere.

Using different components with a type of poi will have marked effects on how the poi performs and will make certain types of moves easier, try doing any hyperloop other than the 'outside across the body' with Ribbon Poi and even that is incredibly hard.

Right, that's not what I thought I was going to end up with when I started but I think it might work.

If there is anything people would like to say or add to this please do

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Flag Poi..... I have never used this type but believe them to be the least useful.

Wash your keyboard out. Flags are [in my opinion] the most fabulous performance poi around, especially useful for interacting with dancers on stage.

I second the motion for the 'bit between head and handle' to be called the Body. Pure genius, that one always stumps me.

m Sphism/gigglesmiley

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Wash your keyboard out. Flags are [in my opinion] the most fabulous performance poi around, especially useful for interacting with dancers on stage.

Okay fair point and I do agree that flags look gorgeous but they have always seemed like enlarged ribbon poi in that respect.

My major concerns with them are how do they feel when doing recoil-wrap combos, throws and hyperloops? Since they are 3 of my favorite 'move families' I would hate to loose the ability to use them.

Ta for seconding 'Body' I was really unsure how the term would sound to people.

ok,

you cant really recoil flags, but thats the only thing. You can hyperloop and airwrap them wich look beutifull, you can throw them and they sail though the air, tricky catches but its no fun if its easy. you can also isolate flags and they look wonderfull, the flags kind of meshing togehter. so there.

There is one more poi type, the straight chain, which has no weighing bias and has another diffrent dynemaic to play with.

T :twisted:

Nix,

Thanks for helping to set me straight with regards to flags, I hadn't realised that they are as versitile as you say. I may well have to make myself some.

I was concerned about the large amount of material cause interference with a lot of the moves but if, as you say, the only real difficulty is recoils...well class, I shall enjoy playing with some one day.

Just as a thought, would simply increasing the weight of the head section rectify or at least improve the recoil problem? In your opinion that is, I don't expect you to catagorically know one way or the other Sphism/winksmiley

Ta,
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My flags are 1m by 1m square. they are white UV (blacklight if you speak american) shimmery fabric and look awsome. They look so delicate as they ripple through the air. That however masks the fact that the air resistance is enormous and it takes a lot of muscle power to rip them through the air.

I made them about 2 years ago and haven't used them in about 6 months. Never tried throwing them about or hyperloops but Dom is a master with them. I think he prefers slightly smaller flags with curved edges.

All in all they are a lot of fun, if you get the size and shape right then you can do pretty much anything with them ~ except maybe make a a cup of tea, or fill in a tax form.

m

I tried to make myself some 1x0.8m flag poi. It was going well, until I realised I had spent about four hours hand-sewing them and had done three sides of one of them. Then I left the fabric at home instead of bringing it back to uni. :cry:

humm, weight.

the thing is, the way recoils work is that the head 'hooks' onto the limb and then the remining body is tweaked to make it flick off again, the trouble with flags is that the weight is not a block, it tends to be some chain or curtain weight (lead shot wrapped up in fabric). This means that when it hits the limb the flag colapses and there is no resitsance to flick the poi off again, unless you actually sewed a block of weight into the flag (which would probibly change the dynamics somewhat) i dont think they would work. but that is just my opinion, you could always try and see.

another intresting thing to note about flags, if its sufficiently gausy and you stare through it at soem lights in the distance, the refractions (little spears of light comming out from the source) rotate as the flag does! wow, bet your glad i told ya!

T :twisted:

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(little spears of light comming out from the source)

Yeah man, I love that stuff. I always used to do 3Bt BF looking at lights. it's so good to really push through the flags.

Hmm, all this talk of flags is making me wanna get mine out again. might make a set of curved flags. When though??

m

Flags look amazing! I tried making some flags after I played with some at Headcharge (in Sheffield). I had a good look at the design of them so I could make some, but after about 2 or so hours hand sewing lead weights along the curve I found out they didn't work at all... :x
so, getting to the point, could one of you flaggers give me a better idea about design spec for some decent flags? I mainly wanna know the weight distribution and a good shape to use.
cheers Sphism/gigglesmiley

Al

oh yeah about the shape thing have any of you tried making flags totally different shapes like circles or stars, rather than just squares? I imagine it'd be pretty hard to make them flare out into their shape if it was a weird one but worth trying Sphism/tonguesmiley