After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
Hi you spinners !!
My name’s Olivier, I’m French and I’ve just been 28. I live in Paris, 19th district, close to the parc of the Buttes-Chaumont, North-east Paris, where I usually train and firespin.
I’m juggling with poi, double staff, club swing & juggling (3), and 4 balls
During the day-time I’m working in mechatronics engineering as a project engineer (I wouldn’t mind, still beeing a student in order to spend my spare time spinning, but well .. that’s it .. I’m on the job market !)
I love London and Italy, where I usually hangs, for week-ends or holydays
I’ve been reading forums (PiP/Sph) for a couple of months (since the fall of 2k3)
Should have been posting before, but at that time, I didn’t feel that my level was good enough to post interesting technical remarks ..
Well heuum .. that wasn’t a good reason .. OK, the right one is that, I’m also very lazy :oops: ![]()
How did I discovered juggling … ?
I used to hang with some jugglers when I was a student… I liked watching it: But well , ok guys , play with your balls/diabolos/clubs .. I’ll manage the skinning .. that’s not for me.
In 1999 they took me to the EJC in Grenoble, where I first saw firespinning/dancing .. I loved it ![]()
Then just before beeing graduated, I had a though: maybe I should learn juggling with 3 balls, that would be nice on my CV.
4 months later I went to EJC2k1 in Schiedam, where I passed 4 balls, bought 3 clubs, a staff and some poi.
They stayed in my flat as a nice decoration (after a couple of hits in my balls 8O ), till I went to the Italian juggling conventions 2k2, in Porano where I learned some of the basics (at that time BF, waistwarp, ..).
Then had another break .. till I went to London for a nasty psychaedelik hardclubbin’ weekend
.. where I saw spinners with glowpoi/staff.
Then I can say everything got started: I wanted to improve, and really got into it in january 2002 !!
Went again to Porano Italian convention in 2k3, then to Svendborg, where I attended Rob/Drew’s spinning workshops and bought double staff. And for the past year it’s been my main spare time activity.
It’s been a long way, as nobody was practicing in Paris at that time, so I’ve been building skills on my own, which helps a lot. But now it’s getting better in paris: since beginning of this year, there’s a real rush for spinning (mostly coming from the harcore/hardtek undergroung parties) & weekly fire meetings, and a French forum with section dedicated to it ( jongle.net )
Improved skills w/ different props :
I’m really understanding trajectory and body move better since I’m practicing with double staff ..
When spinning double-staff, one has to dance .. otherwise you can’t make it.
So I would advise to every poi spinners to start double staff: takes a couple of month for your wirst to cope with twirling, but then it’s really helpful.
Only started hyperloops, & releasing the poi four months ago, which I really should have done before ! !
I’m currently working hard on crossers, flowers & isolation (this is so painfull).
Took me so much time to slow down spinning speed, and start working on timing (i.e. angular offset between poi)
Really should have done it before [ this is a good sentence, that one can use in every poi-nerd conversation, or place in every other sentences ]
best vids / spinning style that has inspired me:
by order of discovery Dantana, PK, Rob, Matt Perry, Nick woolsey
If I had to describe my music evolution, it would be something like this:
Rock, goth, industrial, electro/ebm, intelligent, power noise, .. to reagge, ragga/dancehall, breaks, big beat, DnB, hardtek, Dub, trip-hop, chills .. and of course Trance (Full-on to Psychedelik, to progressive)
I’m still listening to a bit of it all .. but I must admit I’ve been listening to too many psytrance for the past 2 years.
I’ll be at the Boom Festival this year, where a couple of good firespinners from all over the world should attend (from what I heard from friends who’ve been in Goa beginning of this year).
So I hope some of you spherculished will make it .. especially you Matt: no longer any Samothrakis, so I hope you’ll find some funding.
OK, let’s talk about the left & right brain approach :
Shall I think about different possibilities, try to solve logically the technical problems with my right brain,
Or shall I simply skin-up & freestyle, in order to find new things/tricks/moves/combos ?
I’ve tried both .. as everyone has or should ..
But at the curent standpoint, I’m starting to know a lot of moves that lead to too many combinations ..
So I’m trying to organize that bloody mess, using my right brain .. but honestly I must admit that of all my fav tricks I’ve found after smoking a couple of joints & listening to music .. he he
I’ve spent hours reading forum posts, instead of practicing .. staying stuck at the same level because I was only doing my standard routines when practicing …
Which leads me to my last words,
The very last question that keeps on hammering my brain, since one of my mate asked it to me, a couple of months ago :
Do you really try everything that you imagine / see / think about?
Unfortunately my answer is still : NOPE, there’s a couple of move / idea that are written in my « handbook » ( I’m trying to write down moves I’ve found or idea I have in the tube .. in order to capitalize knowledge), or that I’ve seen on video, convention .. that I STILL haven’t tried.
I hope I’ll be able to say yes .. one of these days (… then I’ll have a break)
So please give at least a few minutes to your imagination (.. whilst downloading videos): 2mn of testing is at least trying it 3 times .. that’s not much !!
Gotta go practice ..
- Olivier
If you ever pass by Paris do not hesistate to drop me an e-mail, so that we can catch-up for a firespin run & tricks sharing
See ya at the EJC2k4 in Carvin, hope some of our dear overseas spinners will have the money to make it!!
If you’ve come to that line, without falling of your seat .. thanks for reading
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After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
what an introduction
funny you ask if we try everything we think, i have found i sometimes have to try and understand whats just happened. but i suppose every pattern goes forwards and backwards so no real surprises.
i agree that both rational and more evolutionary methods work well when discovering, and both feed each other too. all this self reference and someone will shout "godel" if we're not careful
After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
Hiya. Welcome to the site. I love long intros. I once tried juggling, never got very far.
your intro seems to be missing something though.
After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
:4
Hehe nice
Welcome
I noticed you are also doing throws and releases. How are you liking them??
Well it is ofcourse fantastic to have you around here
Hope to see more of you, ta-ta!
-Poikid-
After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
Wow, good intro! And I also like hardtek, damn good stuff
After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
[quote="bez"]all this self reference and someone will shout "godel" if we're not careful
After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
[quote="poikid"]throws and releases. How are you liking them??
After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
apologies olive... the question on your intro got me thinking lots. also, i sort of liked the fact that the 'pattern' goes backwards (brain trying capture what the movement of your body has just done, rather than trying to move as your brain imagined). i also appreciate and enjoy the way that both approaches can be used to build on each other and produce prodigious periods of learning.
this kind of positive feedback was in my head along other with other things... and in a late night muse (it had been a skin night not a brain night) was thinking about godel too.
ive just started throws too (among many other things) after seeing them on this site and am having great fun with them. its like a real mix between club juggling, club swinging and poi. but much slower and more relaxed than clubs (ow). does anyone know who the guy doing the tutorial clips is by the way (i have to meet him...)? not really within this thread but hey im only asking (8
After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
The guy in the clips is Matt who runs the site
After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
Hey olive no worries
I had shortened it before you even posted so
No I definitally like reading other peoples long intro's but when I saw my own.. dunno. You know how it is.. like it for others, not for self :roll:
After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
[quote="bez"]i sort of liked the fact that the 'pattern' goes backwards (brain trying capture what the movement of your body has just done, rather than trying to move as your brain imagined).
After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
Godel was a famous mathematician that proved that in certain mathematical systems (like arithmatic) there are statements that you can never prove to be true or false. He did this through the use of self-referential maths that led to paradoxes, much like the following statement
"This sentance is false"
Which makes no sense at all if you think about it
After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
Speaking as a non mathematician and a very confused girlfriend I find it interesting to see that a) I kinda understand what you are all on about and b) now I am relieved of the pressure of this kind of discussion with bez... he can talk to you now!
But Olive I understand why you did not pick up the clubs and juggling balls for a while... I have lived with particulary excellent jugglers for years and it was only when i moved away that I had the courage to start poi, away from the experts. But as soon as i did - there was no stopping...
When bez(luke) explains moves to me I rarely understand what he means, especially hyperloops or anything I have not done before. But as soon as I see them it becomes clear. The butterfly weave sounded impossible but it took my 5 minutes to learn after he showed me. So which side of my brain (if any) am I using?
Welcome Olive. I used to live in teh 5th near jardin du lux.
After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
AS interesting as hard to understand.... How a french can speak english like that?????
By the way I'm ok with you when you speak about "building on your own", I've to do like that because of I meet spinnner just 3 or 4 times in a month ! ! ! All other days I spend are alone....
(And with Matt virtualy some times
) And by this way I have to meditate a lot of time on all tricks.... Unlike new spinners who come by my way, they just listen my advice and don't really feel the pois.... My fondness sentence : "Be cool, follow the poi" :roll: !
Your question is fine.... I try approximately all I think.... And sometimes that go wrong.... (My nose and my balls stop me ! ! ! ! :lol
But I try softly and meditate on new tricks : I've started alone and that took me 4 days (2hours a day or so) to learn 3bt.... (No vid, no friends for help just poi !)
Nice introduction, have fun spinning and juggling.
PS : If you have a little vid.... POST IT

PS 2 : Sorry for my f*cking bad english guys.... and girls of course
After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
nothing wrong with your english, a damn sight better than my fench anyway.
and yes it was very long, but informative also.
i love throwing my poi around, not very good at it but i enjoy it just working on a butterfly thang going: throw right, catch, do a beat, throw left catch, do a beat etc.
generally i drop the left a lot
After 6 months, I FINALLY did it
thanks for reading it, bringing this up and I'm glad you survived it