Chutney's New Stuff

As is the done thing now I'll use this thread for all new stuff I get -

This week- Throws!

I've discovered I'm a bit of a throws junkie, and last night at Spitz I really worked with my same direction catches. A few variations are-

-spinning reels infront of body to the right, left hand spins normally, right hand constantly releases underneath right arm, catches same direction and then repeats with no extra beats- its quite fun, and a good catch practice exercise.

-butterfly inward, releasing each poi in turn under the opposite arm to be caught same direction- alternating butterfly throws or something like

-double release spinning same direction, with same direction catches- matt does these in the tutorial vids, and a bit more fluidly than me Sphism/smilesmiley

-outward butterfly- as the poi is swinging to the bottom of its rotation, release it so it flies over the other arm, then meet it with a tap back and then catch it same direction back underneath the opposite arm

There are infinite variations but the tap back/ wibble variations look particularly rude, especially if you do one with your left then one with your right (I've been linking them together with one of those twisted double wrist stops for added kudos Sphism/gigglesmiley)

Sorry explanations are poor- if I get the DV fixed soon enough I'll knock up some vids if anyones interested-

Happy spinning,

Chut

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Comments

DEC
8
2004
robyn

it was good to see you last night!

very impressive moves.

DEC
12
2004
Mr_Chutney

[edit] took this out because it made me cringe Sphism/gigglesmiley

Chut

DEC
12
2004
duballstar

i've hardly palyed with throws since the summer. give us some vids dude... Sphism/gigglesmiley

DEC
12
2004
techno

heyho, weeel, atm, ive only got sox, and theyre bouncy so its hard 2 get them 2 go newhere u want lol, but that sounds cool chut, keep at it, hope 2 see ya doin it soon!

Jim

DEC
12
2004
Mr_Chutney

Thanks guys- Sorry that was a really lame attention seeking thing to have done- just needed a little affirmation on a cold sunday afternoon Sphism/smilesmiley

Chut

DEC
13
2004
StoneT

I care chut Sphism/gigglesmiley
And it sounds good, can't wait for the vids.
Sounds like the stuff I've always wanted to do with throws, maybe now Ive started I might get there some day Sphism/winksmiley
Did you ever make those handles? think I need a pair myself. :twisted:

DEC
13
2004
Mr_Chutney

the golf balls work but they hurt like hell if you nail a quick catch, and if you mess one up its ten times worse- Also, because of the coating on the balls, even the slightest moisture (eg parafin) makes them crazy slippery. The best throwable fire poi I've seen are matts all kevlar rope jobbies when I was down at Brighton- closest thing to fire sock poi- I'm extremely jealous Sphism/smilesmiley

On other matters, I'm yet again avoiding doing essays and finding myself getting closer and closer to getting the basic cross body hyperloops (both forward and rvs). I've been doing basic airwraps and outside-outside loops for ages now but the basic cross body ones (that pass through buzzsaw plane) have illuded me. I fear nailing these loops will get me all hyperloop addicted... Sphism/gigglesmiley

Also nailed on of the turning butterfly loops messily once, but that was more fluke than anything Sphism/smilesmiley

Anyway, Aristotle and Kant beckon Sphism/sadsmiley

Chut

DEC
13
2004
matt

did you ever get a copy of that hermetic philosophy book i showed ya?

If not then you hould treat yourself for xmas,

I logged in to second life by the way, but i hardly ever have the time.

My names JJ Withnail

Might be up for building a sphercular poi school in cyberspace, somewhere around club alien, you up for it?

m

DEC
13
2004
Mr_Chutney

I like the sound of that- virtual poi lessons hehe Sphism/smilesmiley I'll hook up an account soon (maybe when I head back for christmas) and we'll go from there..

I have asked my sister for the Kybalion for christmas- I did ask my lecturers about hermetic philosophy and was told that basically no western academic philospher will touch it because it runs too close to religion and spiritualism- that was the end of the discussion Sphism/gigglesmiley

BTW- you mentioned some time ago that you'd consider selling those all kevlar poi - with the advent of Sphercucommerce is this going to happen? Failing that, would you mind if I mimmicked a set? I know I kep talking about it but I thought they were tres uber!

ATB,

Chut Sphism/smilesmiley

DEC
14
2004
matt

I don't make those fire ropes for anyone because they could be uber dangerous in the wrong hands. Plus i haven't tested them nearly well enough. For example how long before the rope burns through???

If you make a set for yourself I could always have a look at them for you, but i don't suggest making them for anyone else cos they're pretty dangerous.

Of course I could probably hook you up with a pair like mine in exchange for a small donation Sphism/winksmiley

m

DEC
16
2004
Mr_Chutney

Hmmmm might just take you up on that Mr.Matt- Sphism/smilesmiley I might put my hard earned student loan to good use early next year (PM me re how much etc, sounds groooovy Sphism/smilesmiley)

Um, on new stuff- I think I sort of have learnt what is being touted as3 bt forwards anti-spin weave. Or then it could just be buzzsaw weave with an extra beat and a particularly funny grimmace on my behalf :24 Sphism/gigglesmiley Its feels groovy either way Sphism/smilesmiley

Also, whilst STILL avoiding essay (only got 36 hours in which to finish my already long overdue Aristotle essay- ousia anyone?- and then do a fuck hard Kant esay as well....) I've cracked the isolated forwards 3bt Sphism/gigglesmileySphism/gigglesmiley Been trying for ages and have got the little beggar finally.. what a lovely pattern Sphism/smilesmiley

Back to work...

Chut

DEC
16
2004
simian

Ousia! 8O i remember writing an A-level coursework essay about it. i couldn't tell you what the hell it means now though. And i always avoided Kant. My only exposure to him was reading Zen and The Art of Motorcycle Maintenance.

we should chat some philosophical rubbish at spitz sometime. The first topic i suggest is 'Metaphysics is all a load of useless rubbish - Discuss' Sphism/winksmiley

anyway

i don't think 'antispin weave' is actually a properly defined single move. You can do different types of weave that utilise antispin. We can look at what you're doing one spitz, and then discuss the fundamental nature of the movement's identity. That should only take a few hours Sphism/smilesmiley

DEC
17
2004
spiralx

Dear lord no, not again..... 8O 8O 8O

DEC
17
2004
Mr_Chutney

I should learn to just say- "I learnt a new pattern, its nice Sphism/gigglesmiley"

I really don't have the patience to think through all the extended arguments about what things are or aren't- kudos to everyone who can but it just fecks with my head- I don't think I would ever stand and say 'x' has the properties p&q and therefore must be part of the 'n' family- maybe this is my limiting factor, an inability to really think through whats going on...

Well now Aristotle and Kant are pretty much out of the way, maybe I should turn my attention to such things.....

:idea:

DEC
17
2004
robyn

your new pattern is very nice

are we talking about the buzzsaw weave thing you were doing? that i didn't think had anti spin in it?

but i don't really know what anti spin is, soi'll be tickled to find out what the expert panel thinks.

JAN
19
2005
Mr_Chutney

Waistwraps!

After lots of patient tutoring from Spiral and Luke I now have the standard (non-BTB) waistwrap, which I have been trying to get for ages. Following that the BTB one is also now coming along, and I'm hoping that with the BTB waistwraps will follow the BTB backwards 5bt, which I get close to then not.

Also been playing more with hat anti-spinny thing- not sure if its a weave or not but its still a nice pattern, and once its nailed the same direction ttn stuff kinda follows naturally- I ended up doing some same dir ttn through the carry of the waist wrap- much fun Sphism/gigglesmiley

Chut

JAN
19
2005
StoneT

Good stuff :7

I don't have a clue about this same direction ttn stuff Sphism/confusedsmiley the whole concept just seems imposible. You need a camera Sphism/winksmiley

Wait, you've got a camera :o lemme see! lemme see!

Hmm... I seem to say that everytime I post here :oops:

Alternatively you could make a stop in Plymouth on the way to Fally 3 :53 Sphism/winksmiley

JAN
19
2005
Mr_Chutney

Hmmm, yes I could (assuming I go of course- a lot on around easter :S)

OK- Camera wise I'd happily do a little vid now, but the dv has developed a fault and it'll be at least 6 weeks until its possibly fixed- I do have a nice digital camera which takes clips but I just can't get it to record more than about 30 seconds of film- I'm sure there must be a way to change it but I'm buggerd if I can find it!

[EDIT] OK, I knew manuals had a purpose- I can now record as much footage as I want on my digi stills camera, though I need to check quality- I'll see if I can knock something up Sphism/smilesmiley

Chut

JAN
31
2005
Mr_Chutney

Meteor!

I spent the afternoon on the sofa watching films and learning how tie monkeyfists (they are great!)..

15m of polypropelene rope from B&Q later I made myself a 6ft meteor with monkeyfists at either end. I have loads of rope left so if anyone wants one I could probably make one for peanuts (though my monkeyfists still need perfecting).

Anyway, I have a new toy- its been too dark and cold to really try it yet other than a quick bit of single handed butterfly.

Nice!

FEB
15
2005
Mr_Chutney

CJ Arm stalls (right arm only so far...) lovely little thing this- catch the acrylic dead on the open elbow joint from a little throw frow the back of the right hand.

Also! Around the leg orbits with diablo- clockwise only, very cool Sphism/gigglesmiley

Poi- rvs (as in rvs 3bt) cross body hyperloops- been working on these for ages, they now fit nicely. Got the bicep hyperloop stall / bounce variation of the twisted double wrist stall after Spiralx showed me last week.

Other news.. I might be getting evicted due to 'considerate' housemates.. but I'll always have somewhere to crash Sphism/smilesmiley

Chutney :57

FEB
17
2005
duballstar

nice one.. i still haven't got my elbow stalls nailed yet! they only happen once in a while...

but evicted? that's harsh... is it your housemates or landlord kicking you out? Sphism/confusedsmiley

FEB
17
2005
Mr_Chutney

Housemate has girlfriend living with him but shes not on contract- I actually said before she came in (right at the beginning of the contract) that I didn't want to live with her as I knew it would cause all sorts of problems... Landlord now knows and following a long sequence of quite rediculous events I'm not really sure how things will end up.

If I could just walk I would, but I'm tied to the contract and nomatter whats happening I won't dick others over...

Its a bit of a git, but it could be worse- I have a place in Student halls should all fall through Sphism/smilesmiley

Chut

FEB
21
2005
duballstar

ahhh can see how that works. our landlord's getting really annoying cos he can't get rid of the property for next year and thinks its because of how much mess we make when really its because we live in a seedy area. anyway, last time he came round we made sure it was looking neat as sh!t so when he turned up for a rant he just stood there looking like a speechless dick... Sphism/gigglesmiley

oops, bit off topic... hows the spinning/diablo goin?

MAR
9
2005
Mr_Chutney

Diablo- not really worked on- its there when I need it Sphism/smilesmiley

Contact- improving slowly- I'm working through the James Ernest book which is really helping the basics- watching Durbs tonight has fuelled my interest- good stuff!

BUT

the real revelation was finally cracking the BTB rvs (backwards? i dunno-you know what I mean) 5bt. This is as big a thing as cracking the original 5 as its been bugging me for a whole year now- I was giggling like a schoolboy Sphism/smilesmiley

Also got some rude throw combos happening- lots to smooth out for the sphercular DVD Sphism/smilesmiley

Chut

MAR
9
2005
matt

8O

how long have you been spinning chutney?

Great work, btb 5W is badass, i still have difficulty turning them.

Which way are you spinning? ie Do the poi hit you in the front or back of your legs Sphism/gigglesmiley

I started off in the direction to hit my toes, took ages after to get it the other way.

m

MAR
9
2005
Mr_Chutney

I can spin both directions now, and after a little more playing post spitz in my room, the BTB turned 5bts is starting to happen

time spinning? well, I learnt weaves etc from the HOP vids back in summer '02? But I didn't really move up beyond BTB back of leg slapping 3bt for the best part of 18 months- Feb '03 saw the Chutney enter the hive mind that is Spherculism. I got into socks, learnt 5bts and it all kicked off-

Oct and the Brighton Sphercular ball was a big inspiration but also highlighted ares of my spinning that needed work.. Now regular Spitz visits, greater understanding and a passion for manipulation arts spinning and otherwise have brought me to be the aspirational Spherculist I am today..

still lots to learn Sphism/gigglesmiley

Chutney

MAR
15
2005
Mr_Chutney

Oh happy day! I have finally entered the dark realm that is butterfly tangles-

Following a personal epoiphany on very basic tangle principles (along the lines of 'put one in the way of the other') I started being able to consistent tangle in both inward and outward butterlfy, and now after abit of pract I can consistently do butterfly airwraps (or wo af the many variations)- this is also leading me to get closer to hyperlooping with butterflys- YIPPEE!

On a general note- my flow and presentation is really improving- I have little set manners in which to spin, such as a sequence of symetrical stall patterns, which make my spinning, especaily with fire and glow toys, look a lot more cohesive. I filmed a spin with aerotechs and was really pleased with how it came out- shame its shit quality (it was filmed with a laptop and a webcam- :lolSphism/smilesmiley. I may still cut some music over it and put it up on homeofchutney- its so dark all you can see it the aerotechs, but it looks funky.

So, thats me, falling in love with my balls in socks (juggling balls of course Sphism/winksmiley) all over again.

Chutney :57

APR
22
2005
Mr_Chutney

Alternating double relases in outward butterfly, simultaneous releases (occasionally with double wibble extensions) and outside backwards hyperloops, which have annoyed me for ages...

Oh and I've nearly got the Palindromic Negative Space Duo-wrap Combo Sphism/winksmiley

I'm also gradually getting into continuous hyperloops, using the bouncing 'powering' method'. Still haven't got it clean but the principle is there.

Other toys: I've got 2 Henrys Circus Diablos and some carbon handsticks in eager expectation of some tutorials appearing on the site- My single diablo is slowly improving, but 2 hasn't happened just yetSphism/smilesmiley

Juggling- I'm now juggling 3 balls in a massive 2 patterns (Sphism/winksmiley) both standard 3 ball cascade and 'tennis'. Its actually a lot of fun isn't it!?

Contact- I'm now the proud owner of 4 standard acrylics so I'm playing with 4 ball (2 on each hand- no stacks yet) palm spinning, which is extremely addictive. My single ball butterfly stuff is getting much cleaner too- much fun Sphism/smilesmiley

Thats it for now- crazy amounts of stuff happening at the moment and I'm loving every minute Sphism/gigglesmiley

Chutney

APR
28
2005
jon

Quote:
Oh and I've nearly got the Palindromic Negative Space Duo-wrap Combo

is that rev there secretly positng on other peoples threads? any hope of enlightenment? got into the whole contiunuous loop thing myself but using the loop formed from the corkscrew, so the poi are subject to the evil of gravity, and as far as i can work out theres no way pf powering to make them stay in the horizontal plane. anyway if you could tell us what loop are you working on and how to enter it that would be cool. peace

APR
28
2005
spiralx

Copied from my post on HoP...

Quote:
Inspired by a session at the Spitz last night and by our wonderful friends over at GSC here's a couple of wrap combos that are probably only suited to people with sock poi or a helmet

The palindromic negative space combo: Start with a forward BF on your right side, stall the left poi onto your right shoulder and leave it there, bring the right poi over your left arm, up underneath, bounce it off your chin, back around off the top of your bed, back up inside into a duowrap off your right hand (you can keep the head-duowrap thing up for as long as you want if you're that way inclined ), unwrap and then bounce off head, back the other way, wrap off chin and then flick the left poi off your shoulder to go into reverse butterfly.

The turtlehead. Wall plane weave, go into an airwrap, stick your head out (hence the turtle bit) and wrap the ends off your chin and top of head to bounce back out the opposite direction.

APR
28
2005
jon

nice one man. ta

APR
28
2005
spiralx

There's a whole range of similarly nonsense moves. I'm trying to work out how to apply this stuff properly to my spinning Sphism/smilesmiley

APR
29
2005
Rev

[quote="Mr_Chutney"]
I'm also gradually getting into continuous hyperloops, using the bouncing 'powering' method'. Still haven't got it clean but the principle is there.

MAY
11
2005
Mr_Chutney

Rev- Thanks for the kind words- that means a lot coming from you Sphism/smilesmiley

So- whats new?

Well I'm now close to getting BTB 3bt weave turning properly (its taken aaaages) as well as finally getting BTB waistwraps, though they still need to be smoothed out.

I've pretty much nailed inward butterfly hyperloops, the ones where you turn 90 right to form a tangled buzzsaw butterfly, then 180 to the other tangled BSBF and the 90 to exit. They're actually pretty easy- now just got to get the outward version and clean up my inward butterfly airwrap Sphism/gigglesmiley

I've also been working on using my left hand independently from my right, stalling all over the place etc. Up until quite recently i couldn't stall my left without my right arm joining in involuntarily, but I'm almost at the point where I can mess with stuff properly independently which can only be a good thing. This has allowed my left handed throws to improve significantly and I'm now able to play about with some fascinating throwy/ wibbly stuff, including continuously throwing which may look a little funny but is really good fun. Lightning fomr HOP described me as having the 'drunken master' style which I think is a compliment Sphism/gigglesmiley

Generally just cleaning a lot of stuff up and experimenting more and more- I really think that clean planes should be the first thing an spinner learns as it makes everything else so mush more accessible.

Anyway... thats all for now Sphism/smilesmiley

MAY
12
2005
spiralx

Nice one Sphism/gigglesmiley

I'm also trying to get my left had a little more independant - I've got exactly the same problem with stalls and stuff - I can do stalls from BF with my left hand but it still feels odd, can't do them at all when I'm spinning in different planes yet.

MAY
14
2005
oli

i find the more long cigarretes i smoke the more my left hand can do stuff independantly of the right and visa versa

MAY
16
2005
duballstar

Sphism/gigglesmiley i quite often find my left hand can do stuff better than my right when i'm last expecting it!

MAY
31
2005
Mr_Chutney

I had a revelation a few days ago, realising that just as there are inward and outward butterflies, there are inward and outward throws. i quickly fired up the |S| tutorials and have now with a bit of work managed to totally clean up my same direction split time releases which has made me very happy indeed. I think a bit THANKYOU! to matt is necessary here- I would never have thrown my poi about if it weren't for the site, and therefore matt, and I love this part of spinning, so I thought it needed saying Sphism/smilesmiley

I've also been working on my hyperloops- i can now do some under the arm exits which have confused me for ages and ages, and thanks to Pink's help I'm now pretty close to getting the continuous hyperloop stuff best known from oli's vids. The bouncing of the tangle in the centre is still illuding me somewhat, but I'm nmow able to move the tangle from between my arms to either side for a beat and then back to the and then to the other side- I can get about 7 transitions before I loose it Sphism/smilesmiley

I'm getting more comfortable with anti-spin, now being able to anti-weave, anti-rell and 'possibly' anti TTN- which most of us thought was impossible- i'm looking forward to picking Spiralx's brains on that one.

Isolated weaves have got better- I'm close to getting properlyu isolated 3bt weaves (without takeout bits) and think i my also be on for a bit of isolated 5, thgouh that needs cleaning up. Inverted 3bts are also pretty clean, though I haven't really got much closer to butterfly inversions just yet.

Oh, and I can do whip catches properly with a diablo now Sphism/gigglesmiley

JUN
1
2005
Rev

[quote="Mr_Chutney"] 'possibly' anti TTN- which most of us thought was impossible-

JUN
1
2005
Mr_Chutney

Yeah the anti-TTN is a bit like a Yeti- possible, but you are never quite sure you've seen one- it often ends up just looking like a reverse ttn- I'm still not sure if mines legit- it depends who I ask and how pronounced I spin it.

JUN
1
2005
oli

im never sure how antispun my anti thread the needle is tends to morph into a 4bt because i forget both arms have to go the wrong way or something, deeply confusing :roll:

JUN
2
2005
matt

Keep up the great work chutney. All sounds rather mind blowing to me.

Still haven't played poi in months but have learnt many many 'transferts' with 2 diabi. Finally starting to freestyle with my diabli and mix together lots of little patterns.

I'm almost set to make vids.

Laters,

m

JUN
22
2005
Mr_Chutney

Diablo- Impossible knot whip catches, various acceleration methods, and new Henry's Yellow string Sphism/gigglesmiley

Poi- more throwy combinations, double wibble combinations - the starts of some whip catches but most of the time they look ropey- Unless the poi comes flying out cleanly I really don't like them- they just look messy and are very hard to replicate cleanly. More practice I guess.

I've been playing with 2 poi shower as talked about by Dunc- its quite fun to drop into your spinning for a few catches and then carry one Sphism/smilesmiley

I've now got the isolated butterfly airwrap Durbs does in his recent poi video- I enter from and outward BF airwrap and then bounce into the continuous isolated position- great fun Sphism/gigglesmiley

Lots on Anti-spun bits, including dodgy but dependable anti-spun flowers. Isolated buzzsaws stalling into butterlfy BZ and back etc, and going through inverted plane 3bt from iso BZ and back etc. - finally anti-spin buzzsaw flowers, which may sound odd but they look wicked Sphism/gigglesmiley

JUN
23
2005
jon

whoa, busy man. and so much happiness Sphism/smilesmiley anti spin buzzsaw flowers sound cool.m was jsut reading an earlier post of yours on inwards and outwards throws and was wondering if youve started doing inwards throws behind the back. im finding them well hard. another throw im getting to grips with is releasing both poi in an outwards butterfly behind the back and catching them in front going into an outwards butterfly again. havent quite worked out the way to change direction.
flowers for me, in antispin in otherwise, really clicked when i started practicing reels with my arms extened and then turning 180 with the reel into the other direction.. anyway, the pc is about to randomly restart so....

JUN
23
2005
Mr_Chutney

Jon- yes I have recently started playing with btb inward butterfly throws and they are lots of fun- the way you release them means you're looking away from their destination so when you just turn your head 'pop!' it appears on the other side of your body it looks really funky- a great one to break up patterns with Sphism/smilesmiley

To start playing with them try doing an over the head butterfly and releasing one of the poi whilst its over your shoulder- that should give the feel for when you then want to release btb Sphism/smilesmiley

Yours outwards btb to outwards butterfly throw- if you can time the release nicely for an infront of body same direction the BTB stuff shouldn't be much more difficult- you should already have the 'flick' technique to bring the handle around- I'm guessing you're using socks with decent hanlde knots tied on them- I couldn't spin with anything else these days Sphism/smilesmiley

JUN
23
2005
jon

yea man,i know what you mean about socks. i havent practiced wth my fire poi for TIME. socks socks socks socks Sphism/smilesmiley

JUL
18
2005
Mr_Chutney

Ok so a brief update whilst I put off wondering into downtown New York city where I'm visiting Mad Doc Lightning (Mike) from HOP.

Stalls continue to interest me- I'm now putting in some John Ucof style BTB vertical stalls (up and down, though not quite double BTB stuff- YET)- I want to get to the point where I can vert stall the poi upwards next to the opposte shoulders- so right poi head is stalled next to left shoulder and vice versa- can nearly do it and it'll look sweet as with fire.

Also, tail stalls (they may have another names but I don't know what it is). This is very simply moving the handle of the poi in order to stall the head- a simple yet effective way of doing this is to swing a pendulum and when it reaches the height of the swing, quickly move the tail of the poi to above the head, instantly killing motion and stalling the poi.

use of this technique along with good general stall technique can reall sharpen your stalls up and has got me playing with horizontal stalls, as well as significantly sharpening up my vert up stalls.

Have a play, see if you like Sphism/smilesmiley

Chutney Sphism/smilesmiley

JUL
21
2005
spiralx

I've also been working on my stalls, trying to clean up my left hand... well, getting it to do anything other than the basic fwd TTN stall Sphism/gigglesmiley I can stall in most directions from weaves/BF weaves now although some are sloppier, still can't stall from just spinning at my side Sphism/confusedsmiley

Also playing around more with stalls into isolations and crossarm inversions. Lots of stuff there to do.

JUL
23
2005
Mr_Chutney

Quick update-

Have found 3 new Butterfly Hyperloops and have now got a far better understanding of tangles in general- i can now bounce a same direction buzzsaw loop for several beats moving between both outside planes as well as keeping it in the buzzsaw. I'm hoping that with more practice I'll start getting the butterfly to same direction and vice versa tangles and multi beat butterlfy tangles (wrap twice, move unwrap twice to exit etc).

Its all starting to click Sphism/gigglesmiley (and just in time for my second batch of spherculism DVD filming (sorry its getting late :oopsSphism/smilesmiley

AUG
24
2005
StoneT

Good stuff Chut.
Those tail stalls sound fun (if I understand what you're on about), must have a play.
More BFloops?
BF to Same direction?
I need to get out and spin more... Sphism/sadsmiley

I WILL give you a ring sometime soon. From my new house in lovely Dartmouth (and yes that is a veiled excuse for slackness).

:18 :11

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