Inversion discussion (was 2 poidia terms)
look i hate to make my first post here a rant about words. so first let me say WASSSSSUP! i'm finally here, after 3 tries. now...
1)watermills don't go inverted, they go inside. inside is like the same as btb but not btb. it's inside. let me illustrate... for corkscrew, the inside is the same as "downward" outside is upward, and inverted is, well, inverted. or vice versa, inside up and outside down, is ok...inside and outside are the same mathematically. and there's options within that, like inside moves with crossovers on either side... IOW like a watermill with crossovers down to the ground and a watermill with crossovers up near your face. if that doesn't drive it home then, well, ARRRRGH!
it's about compressing the patterns from around your body down to a smaller pattern, and needing a way to clarify the different sides of the pattern from each other. again, in inside moves the crossovers still happen as they do in normal stuff like windmills. call both inside and inverted what you like but saying a watermill goes inverted would be inconsistent.
2)i really like the way you defined the inversions spiral, even though i do them slightly differently i see how your way is cool... though if you care i think we need to hash it out some more. but i think you may be on to something... i still can't really decide WHAT the best term for the notcoleman5 is. i still say it's an offset 2 beat because the hands, while coming from a 5 beat pattern, make another circle with the leading poi on the opposite side so therefore aren't crossed during the crossover point, so are basically just a 2 beat weave pattern and not a 5 beat. what do you think?
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Inversion discussion (was 2 poidia terms)
Ok, I agree that the definition for watermill was inconsistent and I've changed it
As for the notcoleman5 I see it as a 5bt weave where the leading hand changes via the trailing poi doing an inversion - much the same as the 3bt buzzsaw weave. Now I can see how you can call this bit a 2bt inversion as that is the only part of the move that is inverted - what do you call the crossover in the 3bt version?
And thanks to Glass for telling me what you mean about crossover points
Inversion discussion (was 2 poidia terms)
Watermills with the crossover point near your face? Eeek! Does that have to go between your arms then?
Inversion discussion (was 2 poidia terms)
Good to see you here arashi, I think you'll like it round these parts.
Just remember, if you and rev wanna argue, go vistit hop
The poidia will always be a 'work in progress' and there's always gonna be stuff that needs updating so all input is greatly apreciated.
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Inversion discussion (was 2 poidia terms)
between the arms, yes. right there is where it gets really subtle... with both bfly and (spider)weaves.
in a 3beat inversion there's a crossover facing the body and another outside again (which establishes its invertedness), with an inside move there's only one either up or down (or anywhere inbetween, really). the crossever points are evident if you spin a move trinity just for illustrative purposes.
i thought of a really cool excercise which teaches the differences last night and also describes some really cool move ideas which i keep saying are sitting there in the language nebula. but it'll take me a bit to type it all out so i'll come back to this. we're so close to some cool stuff!
fuggit i'll give you the quick version and see if you get it.
1)try going from a 3 beat inversion to the notcoleman5 crossover without any extra beats. if you can do that immediately there should be lots of different inversion weaves you can do, since you can invert one or two poi within any weave.
2)now try taking a straight up trinity 3 beat weave and gradually move the crossovers so they are facing forward, then down, then toward your feet, then keep bringing it around until it is as cose to your chest as you can get it without changing your hands. so now you are doing a three beat trinity weave with the crossovers facing you. now when you do go inverted, can you seee the subtle difference? good cause now i don't. i've confused myself. [stares at screen drooling]
3) to our earlier talks.
arms crossed inversions 101:
do a crosser, side planes, forward spin, right arm over left, call this position x.
lead into an inversion from x with the left poi.
lead into an inversion from x with the right poi.
voila
Inversion discussion (was 2 poidia terms)
Wow, I completely understood all of that!
The only annoying thing is that I'm sitting here at work where I can't run off and play!
Cheers arashi, that looks like a bumper crop of ideas
Inversion discussion (was 2 poidia terms)
Some notes...
3) These are the leading/trailing poi entries right? That's a good way of describing the difference.
2) I'd never considered doing an inside out weave like that. Going to have to work at it. I assume as you change the crossover point it turns "upside down"?
Inversion discussion (was 2 poidia terms)
yup, i suppose.
now that you understand the difference, will you please explain it to rev so he'll stop being mean to me and i can stop being surly?
Inversion discussion (was 2 poidia terms)
Inversion discussion (was 2 poidia terms)
My brain hurts! I'm gonna keep trying to read the technical stuff though... dang... so much yet to learn!
Inversion discussion (was 2 poidia terms)
actually this should all be in the defined-inverted thread, huh? i think i've gotten into a lot of trouble by doing this at hop, explaining things to one person who actually has a dialogue w/me and asks questions, subsequently confusing everyone else.
i'm waiting for this huge light over your head to go off... esp. since you've actually been playing with atoms... when it does, go shout it to the rooftops cause i'm reticent of the pariah position. see the inside weaves? be my messiah, would you?? finish my inverted weaves/insides thread someday!
Inversion discussion (was 2 poidia terms)
Unfortunately I've just not had enough time to play at the moment due to Christmas hecticness... but it's all there on my list of stuff to work at and figure out. I'll let you know when I do
I'll edit the title to reflect this discussion as well...