Can you do all of these?

i wasn't there for the great jedi war of HOP, but perhaps with have the sith class, so we don't tempt fate again?

great thread
same apply to me .. I've lost a lot of what I used to be able to, or have moved too quickly to another new move - b4 properly mastering every variation of a move
that's the whole thing .. I so much more prefer brainstorms, and looking for new concepts (or trying to follow latest trandy thing), rather than perfecting a class of move, or building a proper routine that incorporate everything !!

I'll have to have a spin to all the above move, to be sure I got them all
anyway, I've turned to the dark side again :mrgreen: .. I'm only practicing my doubles at the moment

I can't do all of these moves either but I think I can do some and never learned the names of them. Like is a btb hipmill like doin a 2 bt btb weave so it comes out in front of you in wall plane? I have alot of moves that I have no clue what they are and probably never will know what they are until this summer and I can meet peoples.

yay!!! watermill. iv been so obsessed with that move recently. spiralx u are a gem
in the last few weeks iv figured out. (watermill), buzzsaw turns, btb hipmill and TTN where one hand goes over (from fwd) or under (from rev) the shoulder. iv also tuned up my isolations and fakeys.

cant do straight arm weaves, wraps, stops or anything in the harder section (except btb fakey and btb hipmill)

im still trying to find out exactly how to do waist wraps.

how about (sorry if this is no help)
opposite direction reels
hyperloops/airwrap

ooohh something iv been playing with , like a water/windmill except (arms at 90 degree angle {bicepts parallel to ground, forearms pointing upwards}) the plane closest to u goes between your face and fore arm and the other plane is on the outside of your arms. im finding it quite tricky, i cant stop hitting my arms or keep the planes straight.

thanks spiralx

all 4 4bt weaves.. (for/rev, left hand/right hand lead) corks, and windmills too.. that one is often more overlooked than the 2bt ones..

I can do about 80% of the list, but not overly well anymore :oops: since I got into juggling I havent been spinning very much, but I want to.

Whats a watermill??

[quote="matt"]

And i still haven't nailed ant crossers ~ i practice for like 2 minutes, hit myself 10 times and go back to playing tangles and throws :roll:

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I'm thinking we should turn this thread into a comprehensive list of things to learn and teach others.

Then we can make a module in php so that each user can tick off what they have learnt and what they have taught.

I think it will give everyone a really good understanding of where each of us is at with our poi, plus we'll see a nice progression over time.

The problems might be a) people lie to show off b) it becomes a competition.

But i don't think that's a problem, you'll get out what you put in.

I think poiple would probably like the option of making this information public or private but i've no idea how to do that. I think i could just add all the 'moves' to the 'You Account' >> 'Your Info' section or make a 'Your Progression' module or something.

Any thoughts?

I think it would be fascinating to see these lists and it would give spherculism a nice structure for players of all levels. I know i've still got to learn as much as anyone else ~ there'd be lots of gaps in my repetoire.

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Yeah I like the sound of that- it'd mean that if you were ever stuck for things to learn or practice (the dreaded drought) a quick flick through the list should reveal something to be looked at- nice idea matt

Chutney

I think maybe instead of a fully comprhensive list, which would be bloody hard, the idea of a comprehensive base list of moves in all planes and directions would be more handy- After thank perhaps there could be an advanced moves list, or even additional segments for throws, loops etc etc..

Set the beginner with a list as long as my (arm?) and you may intimidate.

Quality idea though, and I love the idea of a web/ WAP based phone happy version (anyone got poibot working on the move BTW?- My P900 might be able to do it )

Looking forward to this,

Chutney

Umm.. I have that feeling I get occasionally on here where I just want to sit back and applaud, giggling

That all sounds brilliant matt- I like the idea of 'unlocking' more moves as you go along- whilst you're not absolutely locked into 'NOW LEARN THIS!' territory, you do get structure AND choice.

|S| on a phone Hell yes more please :@)

the various modular console jobbie: :30

Very excited:

Chutney :4 :5

dig the idea matt..

[quote="spiralx"][quote="Rev"]windmill but between the legs... can also be done without going between the legs by using the outer front wall plane and inner front wallplane..

Those moves are all easy, :oops: i guess there is always that 1 move you miss tho huh.

Im stilll trying to nail btb ttn waist wraps, i guess im not trying real hard tho, other wise i would have nailed it already.

Well i guess you could simply add options to each members account-- "Do you want to follow a suggested learning path?" type question- yes and you get the clever unlocky 3bt to 5 bt to 5 bt btb etc, if not you get the whole damn lot?

Give the people what they want, but try to convince them that you can give it in a way that they get it quicker

Chutney

Yup tiddly yup yup yup (where is POikid?- she did this far better than me :27 )

Rev

I agree. Do u know how stoopidly easy things seem when u have been doing poi for ages? This is the part where i sound like a egomanic. People always say, as they grow in poi everything seems to fit better. You can understand concepts better and you can just variate a move you know to get another "type". Time is everything... iv hit walls over the years but when u break through, its not just a simple move you learn but a whole range of moves that come with it. Its almost like your skills are quadrupled, My friend calls it "quantum".

Now if u can quantum twice a year or even more and you THINK you are the shit now, imagine how far ahead you will be in 3 yrs. It takes time, and alot of it. Most newbes want to just do btb straight off, but id say it will take another year after you "get" it to fully have it mastered, it may take longer. You know what i mean, like u can do it blind folded, with fire, while handcufed. Second nature.

No matter how good you get, it can always be more perfect, more clean and more variated. Regardless of what style you believe in.

Ah thank you, but according to the poidia it doesn't exist

haha,

you would have gotten away with it too, except for this...

. . 15:13, 9 Feb 2005 . . Spiralx (New definition)

there's too much to quote, so I'll have to try and keep up..

dragon- precisely... but while I have your attention.. msn is a piece of shit and doesnt let em one hardly ever anymore.. I've been missing our convos..

matt- I've ebeen trying to find a way to turn the web of knowledge into something linear.. the problem is the multi-variable solution.. for any given move, there are several different ways to breakdown the movements.. well.. that's half right.. for any given move, there is but one way to break down its movements.. hence the variables.. but those variables can come from any number of moves you already know.. there in lies the problem... so though the entire matrix breaks down to the same motions, those motions are varied by our experience.. I don't knwo how to account for that.. the only solution that I've come to is to take and list each variable.. and what moves include said variable.. and have a second list of moves, broken down by their respective variables.. thus you can breakdown any set of movements to its base.. find the base you don't know.. and find a set of moves with that base.. because essentially you only need to learn the bases, everything else works itself out.. It incorporates both linear progress (ie. you need these bases to do this move) and matrixical progress in that you pick which bases, and which sets you want to learn... It kinda solves the problem of the multi- variable thing, since it doesnt matter which set of moves that a person uses to learn another move, and everyone is still on the same page..

spiral- I'm being more open-minded in my old age.. LOL... but seriously.. I run into people all the time that use watermills utl.. they werent here at that time.. so as far as definitions go they didnt have their say.. the point of the encylcopoidia is to have an idea of the move if you don't know it.. I think that definition is fine.. That's the one I prefer.. but its also intended to incorporate regional slang.. whihc we have not done.. and there is a very large region that use watermill as utl.. not that I favor that.. but still... I'm not asking for a definition rewrite.. I'm only clarifying...

also I thought we ahd straightjackets in the encyclopoidia.. but they aren't... I seem to remember someone correcting the way it was spelled..

I'm not trying to sound egotistical or anything, but I'm proud to be part of spherculism because I think we helped with that a lot.. I mean other sites still boom with conversation, but even other sites have turned to using spherc as a resource.. I remember when noone knew what spherc was, and now, when people ask questions, other people refer them to us.. There are soooo many people that frequent here that dont' post.. some because they don't have anything to say.. others because they can't follow a lot of it.. point is.. spherc gave us a place to completely geek out.. I liken it to paradigm changes in science.. yeah we kept a lot of the old stuff, but through our discussions we refined, reworked, and redid everything to make it work as a cohesive organized unit.. which provided us with a base form which one could build a solid framework.. and I think that project alone has opened many peoples eyes to aspects of poi they hadn't seen before.. and slowly as the collective competence level rises, so does understanding..

I could be wrong but for most of us the basics, were the HoP tutorials maybe a spin session with a person here or there.. The lexicon was difficult to learn and often times that made it hard to follow any discussion.. some people varied lexicon and all in all it was a mess.. now the lexicon is laid out clearly (or as clear as can be made).. and now every level has access to the information.. so the lexicon is used more frequently by varied levels.. and is used in an increasingly accurate way.. thus the understanding of the vocabulary increases the understanding of posts using the vocabulary.. meaning both questions asked and answers posted are more clear... As with anything you must first learn to talk the talk.. the boost in lexical understanding allowed those of us geeks to really go overboard.. heheh...and voila.. even new levels have been reached.. and even more yet..

sorry to continue offtopic.. but I had to agree with dub...

so what's next kids? btb inverted anitspun atomic weaves!?! LMMFAO :4

the lexical understanding cant be matched.. its allowed us to be able to communicate effectively.. I mean essentially we are stabilizing the poi language..

"to infinity and beyond..."- buzz lightyear