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Right then, welcome to this new forum to discuss how to film, edit, compile, compress and release the first annual sphercular community DVD.
First things first.
MUSIC:
We need to get the music sorted out pronto. Everything from live accoustic thru breaks and psy to classical will hopefully end up on the video.
I'm gonna try to get a little promo together for the dvd so that we can show people we mean business.
It would be great to have as much of the music as possible produced by sphercular members. Keep it in the family. That way the performance and the soundtrack is all a representation of the community.
VIDEO:
Firstly i'd like to know who has a video camcorder. It probably need to be dv for quality reasons, older analogue cams can produce dodgy results.
It would be great if people with camcorders could try to meet up with those without to get extra footage.
Then i want to know who is up for editing. If you have any experience please tell me. Once all the footage is in i'll dish out certain tasks to different editors. You'll all have time to work on the footage then we'll get it back to brighton to make the final cut.
We need to build up a list of hints and tips for the filming. Plus I want to explore ways in which we can produce the illusion that we are all spinning together.
What i'd like to do is get some tracks that we all agree we want to spin to. Then think of a theme for each track, maybe, flags in fields or fire on black. Then i'd like everyone to freestyle to these tracks maybe 4 times from different camera angles. Once I get footage like this I can easily line up all the videos in 1 edit and beat match them. Editing the footage together is then pretty simple because everyone's dancing pretty much in time. It's just a matter of picking out the best bits from each clip and adding a little spice.
Then of course we could try to choreorgraph things a little. Perhaps as simple as everyone spin mostly butterfly variations for this track. Or perhaps we could do a whole 5 minute compilation of just tangles, or wibbles even. With everyone adding their own style to a limited range of moves I think it would give everyone a lot of inspiration.
So i guess a few videos will be made in this group style. If you are in a group of spinners (or possibly solo) you are totally welcome to film and edit a whole submission. Run the idea by us and we can all help you make it as wicked as possible. Also if you want to help manage a community based project then think of some ideas and get people involved.
It's time for bed, but i'll continue this tomorrow, be interested in hearing some cool video ideas.
matt
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I love the idea of poiple doing a piece all based on one move or variations thereof- that would be fascinating
I'll start a camera tips thread and start thinking of how I can get my cam sorted...
Chut x
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nice one, I can't record (no cam) but this matters not as i can't spin to save my life ^_^ I'm up for composing music tho if u want, I can put it all in my portfolio for college...
Jim
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Right, i've been making a little progress on the dvd front.
I'm getting a few leads on the music front, my friend Rowan is a badass MC with a wicked band, lead guitar, bass, keyboard and a drummer who is crazy. Anyway, they are up for it.
My buddy Alex might be up for it and i've got a few people making cds of people who might be interested.
I've also found out i know a lot more editors than i ever expected
Cant remember if i wrote this already but it feels clearer now so i'll say it again.
Get all the music,
decide which music we all wanna dance to.
Choose a visual theme for the piece.
FILM WHILST LISTENING TO THE MUSIC (makes editing easier)
All send in raw footage
play with as many toys as possible
i'll give all footage and music for one piece to one editor (assuming i don't end up doing it all myself)
layer up all the footage for each piece in editing software
align all clips (same soundtrack = easy as pi)
pick out the most wicked bits of each film
stylise the transitions to suit mood
get all edited stuff back to me
compile into finished video
add graphics from joe
design cover and inlay (possibly little book)
nick prints the paper stuff
NEED TO FIND CHEAP UK DVD REPLICATION
send off to burn.
Highlight the similarities between all the toys we play with
show us spinning 'with' each other as a community
document where we are at as a collective so that in years to come we can perceive growth
MAke something which isn't only interesting for spinners to watch. Make something wicked badass. Like i can watch a mad skate or surfing video but i know i'll never be able to do either. However if i was a skater or surfer i could learn a lot from it.
Spread the word about this dvd. If there is anyone you wanna see in the video then ask them if they want to be a part of it.
What do people think about this whole profit share idea? I'm thinking... i'll quote from what i said on hop, in reference to upseting lots of people about col.
ANyways, i'm interested to hear what people think. I'd liek to get as many people on the video as possible in the playing section to document what we've all learned. However the filming of this stuff isn't going to take too much time, not a great deal of editing and so on. However i'm hoping there will be a group of people who will really put a lot of effort in. Devote a lot of time, help out with all the logistics, blah blah. It is this group that i think deserves some money in exchange for time and effort.
Or would it be better to put all the profits into a spherculism bank account and then everyone involved in getting that money could decide how it should be spent. Perhaps we would make enough to give out free membership to S2 or something. Or buy new software and rent wicked servers. Or pay some staffers or diabloists to make tutorial videos. Or fund the development of 3d poibot blah.
ANy thoughts?
m
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i've used these guys before: http://www.24-7dvd.co.uk/DVD%20manufacture.html
not for dvd authoring but to repair a vhs tape and copy to dvd.
easy to get quotes
or these guys might be able to point you somewhere cost effective if you explain to them what you're planning to do: http://www.promovideodvd.co.uk/dvd_production.htm
if you need independently produced d&b, there are some great tunes available here: http://www.ukbassline.co.uk/hirise
if anyone is interested in using anything from that site, let me know and i'll have a word
one thing to consider if you are using more than one camera is ccd quality.
the finished product will look very strange if you film some on a triple ccd camera, some on a new sony handycam and some on an older canon videocamera.
no only are there the obvious differences in resolution but white balance (and colour saturation) vary considerably under the same lighting conditions and the amount of grain in nighttime scenes is notoriously bad on some cameras.
just makes sense that if we are planning a dvd, to get the best quality footage we possibly can...
cole. x
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on the music side.
we've been busking and performing with a cellist, a trombone player and and bobby mc ferring type voice effects guys. makes for some lovely flowy spinning.
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i had an idea the other day for a video. i was watching a dvd (dvd10) that came free with creative review magasine (www.creativereview.co.uk). i was watching some of the music videos on it, and they all seemd to blend animation, photos, stop and go film and all sorts, i dont really know much about it to be honest. :roll:
but i did think it would be cool to maybe to make a poi film where maybe the background is not real, i.e. the poi spinner is somehow cut out and placed on an animated background. i have no idea how to go about doing this, but it could be made to look pretty funky - loads of weird spacy trees and butterflys or whatever you want???? :37 :50 .
i think you could also say, cut matt out of one video and cut mr chutney out of another and combine them together on one background so matt and chutney are together in this weird dream world.
i have no idea how to do this stuff but i know its possible, maybe not with imovie (all i have to play with, if you think i can do this stuff with i movie, let me know and ill have a play) . my brothers done a bit of animation i will talk top him about this. 8O [/url]
this would also make it more interesting for non spinners to watch
maybe you could also have a fully animated spinning sequence with an animated spinner, or a puppet spinner or something, although this would be harder to do than a background- which dosnt have to move much.
anyway - somethoughts. :8 :29 :27
p.s. alice in wonderland where all the weirdos she encounters manipulate objects?
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all the above is totally doable.
Not massively difficult either.
I've been working on a 3d model for animation, posible gonna motion capture myself to animate the character. (the cheap way) This is all totally hush hush, so no mention of it outside this forum please. For one it might not happen, secondly....... ahem.
Anywayy. I wanna do a film with a Calibi yau backdrop, that crazy mathmatical shape (there's a topc in future thoughts i think). Then i want everyone to film wearing black trousers (US=pants) on a black background. Then i can easily lift anything that isn't black from the background and mix it all together.
The other technique is called Chroma Key. You can chroma key any colour but it works best with blue screen or green screen. The sky is an excellent shade of blue for this.
Another way which i've not tried is if you use a stationary camera, with a background that isn't moving (no trees etc) then you take a short clip of the background with noone in the foreground. Then you film your stuff. Put the film over the top of the background image and get the software to look at the difference between the two images. Any pixel that isn't the background is cut out as foreground. I think this should work really well, it's cheap and as long as the lighting conditions don't change too much it'll work fine.
I'm happy to edit anything made by these techniques. Then you can supply background images, clips, etc.
Which reminds me. We could also do with lots of random little sample vids to mix in. Perhaps nice flames footage, or pictures of your area, etc. Give the editors some stuff to play with.
Now is the time to get out and film.
matt
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i was going to do some filming this week anyway, i will send you a cd matt, i am not sure of the address though?
and ive been having allsorts of ideas about what i wrote last time
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wicked oli i look forward to having some footage to play with.
When you are ready to capture the tape to pc gimme a shout, it might be easiest to send me a dv tape with a self addressed envelope. Then i can capture the video for you and pop the tape back in the post.
Oh fuck, no i can't actually cos my dv camera is ntsc. hmm. Well just keep everything as high res as possible with as little compression as possible.
Really need to have a think about how this will all work.
m
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hmmm, i have about 30 minutes of footage from last week, not much of it is any good though.. there is some fire, but i forgot to turn the autofocus off my camera so its a bit out of focus and quite alot of me pissing about with socks. im not surte what sort of stuff you want? maybe wait til the sun comes out and ive got some better stuff?
im not sure about how to go about sending it to you apart from on dv tape thouhg...
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Yep, wait till you got as much good stuff as possible.
Sending dv tape is fine, pal or ntsc. I have borrowed a camera to capture pal.
Include a self addressed envelope and write your name on the tape otherwise i'll get very muddled up with everything.
Look forward to it mr oli
m
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I'll probably do the same os Oli if thats OK matt- I'm probably going to mail it from the US as I'm hoping to film when I'm over there, which means all poi spinning will be sock poi.
Might do some contact, but I doubt it, as I suck
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hey matt, im nt sure where to post this so im gna stick it here. If im not already too late for this o course. My apologies for being out of it the last god knows how long, the gf and exams and skl ad suchlike. should be back now tho *hears ev1 groan* but yeah, I thought maybe you might want some drum major stuff for the vid, but i dunno, i have no cam (save my webcam so thats pretty crap quality lol) so i dunno how id record it, i read somewhere about ppl asking ppl wit cams to meet up or somethin, i dunno, not sure who lives around here. But anywho, yeah, i was just forwarding this to you cos i dunno if u want anythin or not... cheers, let us know whut you think =D ta.
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techno, that post seems to make no sense whatsoever.
but it is early.
But yeah, if you can get anything to me then do so, i'd love it.
m
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i think making your own music (or having someone you know who can make music for you, even with mix programs like EJ) can help with copyright issues... hopefully everyone will be able to get music from someone they know...
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I've got quite a fw nice tracks sorted now. But at most this will only be 40 minutes or so.
Luke who posts here sometimes hooked me up with a great track which goes through 4 seasons of emotions and lasts about 15 minutes, it's perfect.
Then i've got a few other people who i'll be using a couple of tracks from.
But yeah, if anyone wants to or knows someone who wants to donate music then i'll big them up, promote them as much as possible, sell their stuff on the future webshop and possibly be able to pay them.
Laters,
m